Portland Proposes Dutch Style 'Cycle Track' on Street that Needs No Improvement
 

I'm about fed up with what passes for bicycle planning and infrastructure in Portland these days.

http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/23/c...h-park-blocks/

Portland bicycle planning, caught in a trap. It is painful to watch.

EDIT: Just noticed the proposed dimensions of this. Six feet is quite narrow, not nearly as wide as most people envision. Six feet is the width of a standard suburban sidewalk. It is fine for a single rider but passing will be a problem. Furthermore, the three-foot buffer puts riders on the left side of the track in the freaking door zone.

This is planning for beginners, by beginners.

All this will do is provide ammunition to the chainguard crowd and the bicyclist-haters of Portland and elsewhere, and stand in the way of good infrastructure projects that could actually improve conditions.

Yeah, that horrible chainguard crowd. Who do they think they are, pointing out problems with such ill conceived facilities.

Yet, in your post, it was OK for you to do so. Go figure. :rolleyes:

<humor>
I'd be offended, but I just remembered that the pure commuter machines in my fleet are chaincase equipped.

No sissy, silly, worthless, tiny chainguards for Real Commuter Cyclists™!
</humor>

-Kurt

i would rather see the tracks on the inside of the parked cars, in the event of opened doors or pedestrians you would have somewhere to freaking go, instead of into a door/car/etc.

(i just imagined a scary combo of being doored and hitting a child in a stroller, scary)

I'm having a hard time understanding this thread.
How exactly are bikes going to be in the door zone?
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...449F559E60.jpg
You guys realize the Montreal photo depicts a different layout, right?
Am I missing something written between the lines here?

3' from parked car is not enough to be out of DZ

Oh yeah, the Impala effect.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...a/PICT0889.jpg
I would have thought everyone in Portland would be driving Priuses by now.
So, how many feet does the 'shy zone' need?

Take up more roadway and have a narrower bike lane that's out in the traffic?
That's the concensus?
Or is it just that it should be left alone, because the street's not wide enough?

I was only giving illustration of need for at least 5' from car to avoid DZ

I definitely made my opinions known on that thread, perhaps more than some would have liked. This is nothing but another attempt by the city officials to get write-ups in magazines about how "progressive" they are, rather than focusing upon the boring but necessary services that they are paid to work on, namely maintaining sewers, fixing potholes, and funding the police and fire departments.

Portland is already sufficiently bike-friendly for my tastes, the exception being the outer eastside. If they want to improve the bike-friendliness of the "hundreds", they can finish paving the side streets, many of which are gravelly mud puddles. It's amazing to me that we are the second largest city in the Northwest, and yet we still have streets that are unpaved. But why focus upon such essentials when there are condo high-rises to subsidize and agonizingly slow streetcar lines to build?

What's wrong with bike lanes in traffic. If the cruising speeds are between 20 and 35mph it's not bad. The few lanes we have here are between two traffic lanes. The speed limit is 25 and if you drive faster than 22 you're stopping every block. It gets you out of the door zone. If you can ride a straight line it's perfectly safe.

I'd think that on these bike lanes you'd hug the right edge giving up 4-6 feet of distance from the parked cars. The left edge would be for passing really slow riders and you can do that at your own risk.

Since they're already dropping a lane they could just paint sharrows on the lane and put up signs saying that lane prefers bikes: Meaning you don't have to ride to the right and they can't expect you to keep up. If no bikes are present there's no reason not to drive in that lane. If bikes are present, well, they're not in cars and they're probably reducing congestion.

the city is basically using the 'think about the children' argument to skew the selection process towards completely separated facilities

In other words, 'think about the cyclists.'

The fact it is in an area that doesn't need it is a biggie as is the fact it seems that it will inconvenience drivers and cyclists alike.

Um, invoking dead children will pretty much get you anything you want in the US these days...

but I wouldn't figure you to be a supporter of this project, either

:wtf:?

I don't understand the outrage here...am I missing something? It seems very similar to the cycling lanes in Amsterdam and those would be great if incorporated in most cities in America. I would think this would be a little annoying for racers but for commuters it seems like a good idea. What am I missing? I didn't complete read the article...just saw the pic.

It fixes what is not broken. The streets bordering the park are one-lane and unidirectional, and have very slow automobile traffic on it. They are fine for cycling. The cycle tracks are a waste of money. Further, we have a state law that mandates that we use bike lanes when available (although it isn't enforced very strictly). It would open up riders for left-hooks, and it would reduce the passing clearance for overtaking riders.

+100

My sense is the cyclists who are complaining are those who are comfortable with riding in traffic and all that entails. They don't want that challenged by a more, for lack of a better term, 'gentrified' cycling culture in Portland. If it's true that Oregon has laws that specify bike lanes must be used if available, then Amsterdam-style cycle track lanes would certainly challenge their ability to ride in traffic.

Frankly, I think it's a selfish position.

If we as a cycling community -- and who knows if we exist as one cycling community -- want to integrate cycling into our American culture, we must welcome what's being proposed in Portland.

Cycling will never be mainstream in America until soccer moms can put their young kids in a Bakfiets and ride in what they perceive as a safe environment, and non-roadies can ride a Townie with a handlebar basket across the city to run errands. The Portland plan provides exactly that, where the current situation of riding in Portland's areas of 'slow traffic' does not.

If it means the further growth and integration of cycling into American urban cores, I'm willing to sacrifice my enjoyment of riding in traffic in certain areas -- and gladly ride in cycle track lanes. I would hope others would be willing to do the same.

I understand your position and am sympathetic to it, but it is based on false assumptions.

People using these cycletracks will still be riding in traffic, just in a different way. It almost always seems like a better way to beginners, but isn't necessarily a safer or better way to deal with auto traffic. While there are some streets that might be improved for cycling with such a sidepath, this does not seem to be one of those streets. And this calls into question the priorities of the planner-politicians who are pushing this project.

If you've been around this forum for a while you should notice that the people who are telling you this are not necessarily the same people who can be expected to attack any plan for any facility anywhere. People who are open-minded, practical and highly experienced are telling you this plan stinks. People who have ridiculed Vehicular Cycling ideologues and chest-beaters repeatedly on this forum are telling you this.

I wish beginners would listen to those with experience. It's generally a good policy. The current plan in Portland is planning for beginners, by beginners. It's a trap. The bicycle mode share of Northern European cities is based on culture, history, physical geography and tremendously expensive fuel relative to North America. Infrastructure is probably down the list a bit. It's silly to think we can start to transform our cities -- even Portland -- into Amsterdam with token cycle tracks, when we can't even mention raising the price of gas through taxation.

I was attempting to make a (in hindsight, poor) joke about Portland assuming children = cyclists and vice versa. Plans such as this one demonstrate that there are those out there who assume cyclists need to be given all of the "protection" they possibly can presumably because they are too childish to take care of themselves.

With most every proposal, there are those who offer critiques that an be rapidly identified as attempting to demonstrate superior wisdom or denigrate a particular point of view.