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Old 03-31-09, 06:40 PM   #1
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Dogs on the loose

I ride in a rural area, lots of farm land. I have problems with dogs chasing me. My real concern is when the dog's try to bite at my legs or run in front of me. Any ideas of how the keep dogs away (would like non harmful methods)?
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HALT ! In the little spray can.
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1. Report the address to your local animal control or sheriff's office.

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2. HALT! or HALT!2, if necessary.
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Do a search and find some fun threads, some in the "Commuting" sub-forum. No surprise the solutions range from pedaling away, to yelling loudly, to shooting the dog with a Glock.
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I got this just today :



It's stronger than HALT. HALT has 0.35% capsaicin, the ingredient that makes the irritant effect, while this one has 17%, to really remind that dog not to chase you anymore.
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(would like non harmful methods)?
Can the ideas be emotionally and psychologically harmful?

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I bring a water-bottle with me that has a 50/50 solution of ammonia and water. Even the most aggressive dogs watch me from the porch now. None of them required more than two doses.
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I ride in a rural area, lots of farm land. I have problems with dogs chasing me. My real concern is when the dog's try to bite at my legs or run in front of me. Any ideas of how the keep dogs away (would like non harmful methods)?
When approached by an unleashed dog, stop and, try to be friendly with the dog.
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I bring a water-bottle with me that has a 50/50 solution of ammonia and water. Even the most aggressive dogs watch me from the porch now. None of them required more than two doses.
What a little girl you are, and a cruel one at that. Ammonia can permanently blind a dog.

Just use the water in your water bottle. A shot of water in the dog's eyes will stop them immediately, or a least break their stride. I can usually get them from 10 or 15 feet away with no drama whatsoever.
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What a little girl you are, and a cruel one at that. Ammonia can permanently blind a dog.
Sounds like the owner's problem to me -- they are to blame for failing to control their own dog.
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Well, I agree that the owner is at fault for not controlling the dog. But the cyclist is the one who has to deal with the problem.

I have been bitten twice by dogs. Both bites were superficial. The bite really is not what you need to worry about. I have seen two cyclists nearly killed when a dog rushed out on the road from cover and they struck the dog before they had a chance to evade it. I know a third cyclist who was severely injured this way. I don't see how one can avoid this hazard because you do not have a warning.

That being said, if you do see a dog, there are any number of effective meaures one can take:

1) Just out run the dog if you are strong and fit. 25 mph is almost always enough speed.
2) Wave a frame pump at the dog. That intimidates them. It is also a downside of the CO2 cartridge systems. They do not impress dogs.
3) Squirt some water from you water bottle at them. I have never seen this ploy fail to make a dog slow way down or stop.
4) You can get off, keep the bike between you and the dog. And slowly move out of the dog's territory. Picking up imaginary rocks and throwing them at the dog is effective. Dogs seem to be able to see imaginary rocks. Maybe I should do a study of this some time.
5) I suppose you can use pepper spray like Halt. I have never tried it. I am told that it is effective.
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A well timed and really LOUD "NO!" is my first choice then:

I'm a water bottle spayer- just water, no ammonia (ammonia is for wussy)- hate to waste the water but it works 95% of the time.

I've tried air horns but I'd rate them 60% effective.

I've tried Halt and would rate it 85%- 90% effective but costs more, one more thing to carry, sometimes hard to get a hold of in a hurry, hard to fire with gloves, requires a bit more accuracy than water.

I've also filled squirt guns with a slightly diluted mix of the hottest hot sauce I could buy, ironically called "Mad Dog 357". Works as good as Halt, cheaper and the squirt gun is refillable.
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that's what I say. A dog chasing a bicyclist can injure or bite the bicyclist.

There is no need for name calling.
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What a little girl you are, and a cruel one at that. Ammonia can permanently blind a dog.


I believe in using capcium pepper spray, the type that police and security guards carry. It works pretty fast. I have used it on dogs that were chasing me, and they stop and turn around real fast. I don't care if it hurts them. Call me a "little girl"
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Daves Insanity Sauce mixed into a water bottle full of vinegar. Just don't get your bottles confused.
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Has anyone ever tried a dog whistle? I've been meaning to pick one up to see how they react.
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Ammonia can permanently blind a dog.
Do you have a citation for that? I've never really been tempted to carry anything with me, but you see ammonial recommended often without comments similar to yours. And I would appreciate it if you would remove the sexist insults from your post.
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Do you have a citation for that? I've never really been tempted to carry anything with me, but you see ammonial recommended often without comments similar to yours. And I would appreciate it if you would remove the sexist insults from your post.

Ammonia is a caustic that should never be inhaled or come in contact with eyes or skin.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mhmi/mmg126.html

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It's stronger than HALT. HALT has 0.35% capsaicin, the ingredient that makes the irritant effect, while this one has 17%, to really remind that dog not to chase you anymore.
Is it really 17%? that's stonger than bear spray like counterassault.

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Thank you for all the response. I tried a water bottle but can't get it out fast enough. I bought a dog training whistle and will try that. If that dose not work I think an air horn on the drops could be useful for dogs and cars. I do not want to use any pepper spray's yet, but will consider it if the whisle or air horn do not work.
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What a little girl you are, and a cruel one at that.
I sometimes shave my legs too!

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Ammonia can permanently blind a dog.
Perhaps that why they stay on the porch now!

Bad things can happen when dogs are allowed to menace law abiding travelers on the public way. The dogs can be killed by motorists. Cyclists can be injured and sue the dog owner. They can even be blinded! I wish I knew that earlier. I won't be diluting the ammonia anymore!
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Ammonia is a caustic that should never be inhaled or come in contact with eyes or skin.
Thanks for the links, lots of good information. It revealed that retail ammonia products are not strong enough to produce the harm as you have alleged, as they contain 5% to 10% ammonia. And I have found a 50% water solution to be effective enough.

To suggest that my area of Texas has dozens of blind dogs bumping into things is at best hysterical.


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I wonder, did you read the articles you linked to?
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Has anyone ever tried a dog whistle? I've been meaning to pick one up to see how they react.
I have. They are moderately effective. About the same reaction to shouts of "NO!". I have even tried emergency/escape whistles, with similar results but with the side effect of ringing ears. I have not tried the "beyond human hearing" type, as I am skeptical as to how loud they are. (How could I tell?)

I suspect that the dogs that "NO!" and whistles work with are also not the dogs to be concerned with. These are the ones that are having a little excitement in their day and enjoying a run- they aren't actually menacing me like problem dogs do. I consider them harmless and I am glad I can spice up their day.

Of the 42 dogs that are "regulars" on my common routes, (by actual count) only four were aggressive enough that they needed chemical encouragement to keep their distance. It would be uncommon on any given ride for me to not encounter dogs. If my experience is any guide, dogs are not that great of a hazard for cyclists.
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Well if I ever need a new trick to use against ill mannered dogs, I'm going to bring along a spray bottle of household ammonia or ammonia/water mix from now on. Thanks for the tip ChipSeal.
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