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    NYC Cyclists Suck?

    Specifically, the Lance wannabes. That's been my experience, both as a cyclist and a motorist. The neon spandex "racers" are hyper-aggressive toward pedestrians, motorists and even other cyclists.

    Kevin Walsh, of the website, Forgotten New York, seems to agree with me. Here is an excerpt from his latest article:

    I don't know about other cities, but I've found bicyclists in NYC to be among the, well, most avoidable people anywhere. On the Brooklyn Bridge, the unwritten rule is that bicycles are going to race as quickly as possible, and pedestrians and slower bicyclists had best get out of the way. The same holds on the DiMaggio bike path. What is it with the costumes? And, if you are a pedestrian attempting to cross the street on the green, look both ways, because if you don't you will be buzzed by a bicyclist. Needless to say, I ride with traffic, stop at lights when there's traffic, and stop for little old ladies. Mr. Nice Guy, I suppose. Drivers are no better. Arguments over doorings have nearly gotten violent on some occasions over the years.
    See the entire article here:

    http://forgotten-ny.com/SLICES/bikelanes/bikelane.html
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    Some cyclists will make pedestrians and motorists uneasy with their high speeds and carefree riding style. They can be very inconsiderate of others and only care about getting to their destination as soon as possible. But motorists and pedestrians in NYC aren't the most considerate people anyway. Pedestrians jaywalk and jump out in front of cyclists all the time. Drivers cut off cyclists, buzz them, leave their trucks double parked and swing the door open when you're not expecting it.
    NYC can be a jungle sometimes, especially with being so damn crowded. Everyone just finds a way to cope with the environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    Specifically, the Lance wannabes. ...
    Back again with the same old rant.

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    Aggressive New Yorkers? I can't believe it....

    Obviously, it' only the "lance wannabe" cyclists...it's not also the drivers, pedestrians, cabbies, bank tellers, rogues cops, shop clerks, school kids....

    Obviously the problem is the cyclists... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Back again with the same old rant.
    +1

    To the OP: It's NYC- get over it.

    NYC is a fantastic city and a great city for cyclists. Yeah, there are a few jerks here and there but as far as I'm concerned I've met some of the coolest, friendliest cyclists in that city- including the "Lance wannabees".

    Give it a break- we've all heard this one before.

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    Full team-kit wearing jerks.
    Hipster jerks.
    Businessmen/commuter jerks.
    Leisure-riding jerks.

    Courteous cyclists wearing full team-kit.
    Courteous hipster cyclists.
    Courteous businessmen/commuters.
    Courteous cyclists on a leisure ride

    Welcome to life, where the packaging does not indicate the content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    Full team-kit wearing jerks.
    Hipster jerks.
    Businessmen/commuter jerks.
    Leisure-riding jerks.

    Courteous cyclists wearing full team-kit.
    Courteous hipster cyclists.
    Courteous businessmen/commuters.
    Courteous cyclists on a leisure ride

    Welcome to life, where the packaging does not indicate the content.

    -Kurt
    You may not be able to figure out the content from the packaging, but I've found that people who tend to use the term "Lance Wannabes" are usually jerks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    ...I've found that people who tend to use the term "Lance Wannabes" are usually jerks.
    Does Garmin sponsor you? If not, poseur comes to my mind, along with costume and Lance Wannabe. But then...I am a jerk, so I agree with your theory.

    Your avatar:
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    Does Garmin sponsor you? If not, poseur comes to my mind, along with costume and Lance Wannabe. But then...I am a jerk, so I agree with your theory.

    Your avatar:
    yes, Garmin sponsors me to post on BF. It's a pretty sweet deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    You may not be able to figure out the content from the packaging, but I've found that people who tend to use the term "Lance Wannabes" are usually jerks.
    Fine with me - I didn't say it

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    In my native language Lance means chain. Like a bicycle chain. How cool is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    You may not be able to figure out the content from the packaging, but I've found that people who tend to use the term "Lance Wannabes" are usually jerks.
    And I've found that people who wear team kit without being sponsored are poseurs, no different than Hummer drivers.

    ETA: The author of that Forgotten NY article is also an avid cyclist, and he's dumbfounded as to why a certain sub-genre of cyclist feels the need to spend big money on a neon-clown suits. Why? The answer is obvious to me, they're egotistical IDIOTS, and they act like it on the road.
    Last edited by Fissile; 04-05-09 at 12:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    And I've found that people who wear team kit without being sponsored are poseurs, no different than Hummer drivers.
    So I take it you don't wear anything with labels on them? No Nike t-shirts... no, No Fear seems like your style. You think that somehow supporting a team equates to posing?

    I'll stand by my first statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    So I take it you don't wear anything with labels on them? No Nike t-shirts... no, No Fear seems like your style. You think that somehow supporting a team equates to posing?

    I'll stand by my first statement.
    Why would I pay MORE MONEY for an item of clothing that makes me a rolling billboard? And it's not just cycling clothing that makes me cringe, I have the same reaction when I see some couch potato wearing a NY Yankees jacket.

    If you want me to advertise your BUSINESS on my back/ass, I gots to get paid -- at the very least you should provide the clothing for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    Why would I pay MORE MONEY for an item of clothing that makes me a rolling billboard? And it's not just cycling clothing that makes me cringe, I have the same reaction when I see some couch potato wearing a NY Yankees jacket.

    If you want me to advertise your BUSINESS on my back/ass, I gots to get paid -- at the very least you should provide the clothing for free.
    Well, you certainly yelled me down.

    Some people actually like to support their favorite teams/business/etc. No one is forcing you to wear anything, so the least you could do is tone down the judgmental rhetoric...

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    I'll never forget the kid I saw in Haiti wearing the Robert E. Lee Middle School t-shirt. Man what a poseur that kid was.

    Actually the biggest poseur bicyclists I see on a daily basis are not wearing 'team kit' but are dressed up like bike messengers of the 1990s and using $250 messenger bags.

    The absolute worst poseurs I have to deal with aren't on bicycles at all, they tend to be wearing suits.

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    If it weren't for New York drivers, this section of Central Pennsylvania would be significantly safer. And people talking about cycling kits just make themselves look like idiots in my book. Might as well ridicule football players for wearing their uniforms, or an F1 driver for wearing a fire suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    And I've found that people who wear team kit without being sponsored are poseurs, no different than Hummer drivers.

    ETA: The author of that Forgotten NY article is also an avid cyclist, and he's dumbfounded as to why a certain sub-genre of cyclist feels the need to spend big money on a neon-clown suits. Why? The answer is obvious to me, they're egotistical IDIOTS, and they act like it on the road.
    Hey, I have spent "some" money on some "neon clown" jerseys that I prefer to wear when I am doing longer fast rides.

    I bought the neon clown jerseys for two reasons...
    1) they are very comfortable for longer rides...
    2) those neon clown colors make me stand out... and thus hopefully I am visible to a motorist or two. In fact if some motorist then thinks "look at that clown" I am set... they HAVE seen me!

    Comfort and visibility.

    And when I don't wear the neon clown jersey... I commute in international rescue orange. I WANT TO BE SEEN! It is as simple as that.

    Now on the flip side... there are no team logos or names readily visible on my clothing.

    But consider this: anyone riding around in "too hip" black or dark gray... good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Hey, I have spent "some" money on some "neon clown" jerseys that I prefer to wear when I am doing longer fast rides.

    I bought the neon clown jerseys for two reasons...
    1) they are very comfortable for longer rides...
    2) those neon clown colors make me stand out... and thus hopefully I am visible to a motorist or two. In fact if some motorist then thinks "look at that clown" I am set... they HAVE seen me!

    Comfort and visibility.

    And when I don't wear the neon clown jersey... I commute in international rescue orange. I WANT TO BE SEEN! It is as simple as that.

    Now on the flip side... there are no team logos or names readily visible on my clothing.

    But consider this: anyone riding around in "too hip" black or dark gray... good luck with that.
    I've got no problem with high-viz clothing, I own some myself. On the other hand: Wearer of Team Colors When not Part of Team = ******.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    I've got no problem with high-viz clothing, I own some myself. On the other hand: Wearer of Team Colors When not Part of Team = ******.
    Really... is it any worse than folks wearing Baseball jerseys, or Football jerseys in their effort to celebrate and support a team?

    Every MLB and NFL team out there sells team jerseys for fans.

    How is someone wearing a White Sox or Raiders jersey different from someone wearing a Rabobank or Garmin-Slipstream? Can someone really tell me what the difference is?

    No, I don't wear logos... (except maybe "Levis") But honestly, what is the big deal for those of you that seem to get all worked up about folks that do enjoy supporting their teams and wearing the "team colors."




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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Really... is it any worse than folks wearing Baseball jerseys, or Football jerseys in their effort to celebrate and support a team?

    Every MLB and NFL team out there sells team jerseys for fans.

    How is someone wearing a White Sox or Raiders jersey different from someone wearing a Rabobank or Garmin-Slipstream? Can someone really tell me what the difference is?

    No, I don't wear logos... (except maybe "Levis") But honestly, what is the big deal for those of you that seem to get all worked up about folks that do enjoy supporting their teams and wearing the "team colors."



    I could care less what people want to wear when cycling, but I believe the difference is that people don't wear their (insert favorite sports team name here) jerseys while engaging in said sport like cyclists do. You "usually" don't see guys wearing their Manning jersey while playing football at the park. At least where I live, they don't.
    Aaaaawwwww look at all of those cute gears and shifters and cables and derailleurs! Isn't that special! Overall it's a sweet bike! I do have one question though...........................Do they make them for men?

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    I either remove or deface logos or brand markings on my clothing, it's an idea I stole from a character in a William Gibson novel. I use camoflage underarmour when mountainbiking, and the screen-printed logos are usually some bright color, so I color them black with a sharpie marker. Once, just for a goof, I bought a black starbucks t-shirt w/ white text just so I could change the "b" to an "f" (sharpie again). Most of the barristas had a good chuckle at that when I wore it in their store. My neon street-biking wear, sadly, has no logos or labels to deface.

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    Why, oh why do people still care how other folks dress???

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertHurst View Post
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    Actually the biggest poseur bicyclists I see on a daily basis are not wearing 'team kit' but are dressed up like bike messengers of the 1990s and using $250 messenger bags.

    The absolute worst poseurs I have to deal with aren't on bicycles at all, they tend to be wearing suits.
    Oh good, my messenger bag only cost $160 (1.6 months worth of not parking a car at work); so I must still be cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBully View Post
    I could care less what people want to wear when cycling, but I believe the difference is that people don't wear their (insert favorite sports team name here) jerseys while engaging in said sport like cyclists do. You "usually" don't see guys wearing their Manning jersey while playing football at the park. At least where I live, they don't.
    I know whole Little League teams that DO wear MLB team jerseys when they play.

    If you "don't care" then why are you even discussing it?

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