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    Drunken bicyclists.


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    Harsh...

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    I've seen a report that said 21% of cyclists who died in a collision were drunk at the time of their death and I've seen a report that said 24% of cyclists who died in a collision were drunk at the time of their death.
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    Well, if we want to be respected as users of the road on an equal basis with cars and trucks, than we ought to be willing to accept the responsibilities and obligations thereof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    I've seen a report that said 21% of cyclists who died in a collision were drunk at the time of their death and I've seen a report that said 24% of cyclists who died in a collision were drunk at the time of their death.
    Thats the thing with statistics... you can make them look however you want.

    on any given day, what % of cyclists would you say were drunk? Thats a key factor. What time of day do most deaths occur? What is the % of drunk bikers at this time?

    If 30% of cyclists are drunk yet they only make up 21% of the deaths... that would mean that being drunk while cycling saves lives!!!!

    Im not an advocate of riding drunk.. im merely pointing out flaws in random statistics being thrown out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    I've seen a report that said 21% of cyclists who died in a collision were drunk at the time of their death and I've seen a report that said 24% of cyclists who died in a collision were drunk at the time of their death.

    Are you referring to this article? Says "detected alcohol"...

    Is that different than "drunk" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TVS_SS View Post
    Thats the thing with statistics... you can make them look however you want...

    I'd say that chances of someone dying while riding a bike on car filled streets drunk, far exceeds their chances doing the same thing sober.

    I'd say this is a people problem and wouldn't be surprised if there's comparable proportions of people drunk doing all kinds of things
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    Quote Originally Posted by alicestrong View Post
    Are you referring to this article? Says "detected alcohol"...

    Is that different than "drunk" ?
    I get your point. They may or may not be drunk. I'd think they may be, but to what degree, it's not clear.

    According to the Fatality Analysis Reporting System, drunk bicyclists cause 24% of bicycle fatalities, and I also have a report (that I'll dig out) on fatalities to cyclists in my province where I was surprised to see just how many cyclists died while drunk. Couple that up with all the drunk drivers that kill cyclists and it's hard not to feel the impact being drunk on the road makes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    I'd say this is a people problem and wouldn't be surprised if there's comparable proportions of people drunk doing all kinds of things
    Yeah, Some people like to get drunk and then post on the internet
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    Should the limit be different for cyclists than motorists?

    For driving a car, there is a level of intoxication where one should not be driving, but one thinks one can; that level is much higher for a bike. On a bike, if one is still sober enough to balance on two wheels one is probably still sober enough to get home safely, provided one sticks to the back streets. Perhaps the law should recognize that fact.

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    not too mention the age old concept that protection of others as a higher priority over self-protection
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkhound View Post
    Should the limit be different for cyclists than motorists?

    For driving a car, there is a level of intoxication where one should not be driving, but one thinks one can; that level is much higher for a bike. On a bike, if one is still sober enough to balance on two wheels one is probably still sober enough to get home safely, provided one sticks to the back streets. Perhaps the law should recognize that fact.
    agreed... and the fact that the only person a drunken biker usually harms is his/her self

    With a car, you have the ability to kill many others, not so much on a bike. Unless you get creative

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    ****in'-A, it's much safer to bike drunk than to drive drunk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nickthaquick1 View Post
    who cares
    All those cyclists who ride because too many DUIs have gotten their car privleges revoked?



    I'd also say even as a non DUI cyclist its a good idea to pay attention to any new laws related to bicycles as you can get a picture of how lawmakers are percieving bikes and may get an idea of what to expect next...

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    That report I had was from the BC Coroners Office on the deaths to cyclists in BC.

    In the appendix there were brief descriptions of the circumstances of what happened that led to the collisions that caused the deaths.

    There were as many cyclists who were drunk as there were motorists who were drunk.

    Does that make drinking while riding as dangerous to a cyclist as a drunk driver is to a cyclist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkhound View Post

    Good, I HATE drunks. No matter what they do. Useless human beings. And no, IMHO it's NOT a "disease". It's an addiction which IMHO isn't a disease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkhound View Post
    Should the limit be different for cyclists than motorists?

    Nope. A drunk cyclist can swerve into a car lane and hit a car or ped just like a car can. Many of these cases could lead to someone dying.

    Fine and jail their asses I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommyr View Post
    It's an addiction which IMHO isn't a disease.
    From where did you earn your medical degree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkhound View Post
    Should the limit be different for cyclists than motorists?
    In California law, it is illegal to bike under the influence but there is not specific blood alcohol percentage listed as qualifying as "under the influence" like there is for driving a car (.08%). So one can indeed argue that they were not too far under the influence to bike even if they were over the limit to drive a car. If convicted, the fine isn't all that high anyway and of course is not connected to one's driving record or insurance rates or any of that stuff.

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    Once we get all the cycling drunks off the road, let's go after all the drunk joggers, walkers, and sidlers.

    Actually, perhaps we should simply set a curfew. That seems to be the real issue here. People really should be in bed. Like Tommyr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metzinger View Post
    Once we get all the cycling drunks off the road, let's go after all the drunk joggers, walkers, and sidlers.
    Well, there are laws against "public intoxication" .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommyr View Post
    Good, I HATE drunks. No matter what they do. Useless human beings. And no, IMHO it's NOT a "disease". It's an addiction which IMHO isn't a disease.
    Just to clarify, do you hate people who habitually get drunk, or do you hate people when they are drunk in general?

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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    I've seen a report that said 24% of cyclists who died in a collision were drunk at the time of their death.
    That means that 76% of cyclists killed in collisions were not drunk. Clearly, sober cyclists are the greater threat.
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    So what's the problem? The whole friggin sport of cycling is rude and stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
    Just to clarify, do you hate people who habitually get drunk, or do you hate people when they are drunk in general?
    Both actually but alcoholics piss me off the most.
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