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Old 04-24-09, 10:25 AM   #1
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LAPD: Hitting cyclists is okay 'they have it coming' by being on the street


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" 4 bike run over by a hummer tonight. new tallbike is totaled cops
let the driver go. "

"'mini_penny: Accident in DTLA on killah cali ride. 1 rider to the
hospital for his ankle. 4 more bikes totaled. "

"Driver caught, released after reports taken. My bike is totaled. "


no, we werent at the light yet, this ******* in a hummer h3 just plowed through like a dick and hit a guy, we started to tell him he hit somebody and had to stop and they started saying they had guns and ****, so we went in front of the car. i started to call the police\paramedics for the hurt guy, and was getting my\his bike off the street when the hummer revved up and drove over the pile of bikes in front of him. one got lodged under his car and he took it with him to the next intersection, where the cops stopped him.

then, after like two or three hours of bull**** and more bull****, the cops reasoned that our mob mentality frightened these innocent doogooders and that we incited him to hit us by being there? The ****ing cop even said ''Id have done the same thing in that situation''



I know this does not speak for the entire LAPD, I have come across many officers that love cyclists and sometimes escort the larger rides of 100+ riders, but I am just amazed that there are still cops that take their own personal feelings into enforcing the law. How can hey release this driver and then treat the riders like the criminals?

http://www.westsidebikeside.com/humm...gun-in-my-car/

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Old 04-24-09, 10:28 AM   #2
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Anyone want to quote Rodney Dangerfield... "I get no respect..." Anyone...
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Did you get the officer's ID #? Assuming that what you are saying is true I'd go down to the PO and speak to their sergeant. Also assuming that you were around their cop car you should ask for a copy of their video tape for the altercation.
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I suspect that detaining someone is generally a bad idea from a personal safety perspective. That being said, the cop's reaction is ridiculous.

I would tell the driver that if they leave, it will be a hit and run accident. If they choose to leave, that's their choice.
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The whole picture is not clear. To move forward with a complaint I think you would need some more info to present.

On the intial issue: How badly was the person injured? Did paramedics show up and treat? Did the police not cite the person for that collision? was a reason given?

What was the situation around the intial accident: Were you riding as a group, were your obeying traffic laws? What does "no, we werent at the light yet" mean?

it seems that this is two parts.....dealing with initial accident and dealing with the aftermath.

I think you need a Joe Friday approach, the facts, just the facts and minimize the emotion...... go to the seargant, go to the police audit board, go to the press
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The whole picture is not clear.

I think you need a Joe Friday approach, the facts, just the facts and minimize the emotion......
Agreed. I couldn't figure out what happened at all from this writeup. Somebody apparently got hurt but who knows how badly?
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sorry to hear about this; when it comes to cyclists, cops are generally azzholes first and motorists second

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I would have let the Hummer go, but not before noting the license plate number.

Then when the police arrives, complain about a hit-n-run, give the license info to the officer.
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I would have let the Hummer go, but not before noting the license plate number.

Then when the police arrives, complain about a hit-n-run, give the license info to the officer.
that sounds good except when you're in the heat of the moment I don't think you'd let a car go that just hit your friend
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sorry to hear about this; when it comes to cyclists, cops are generally azzholes first and motorists second

Yes that happens a lot, but this reaction from the cops was not objective. What kind of cop turns the other cheek at a driver hitting a rider and then running over several other bikes?

anyway several reports are being made
a large group of riders are going to visit the Police commission

LA critical mass is going to stop by City Hall, tonight
Complaints by the victims are going to be made, which must be investigated

There will be an organized ride "Storm the Bastille" to go to LA City Council.

Something like this is not going to be silenced, those cops are not getting away with this. All this stuff is happening in the course of a week.
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its just horrible how things are progressing here in LA. its getting worse everyday.
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Here is a more accurate account of the incident. I sorry that the OP was unclear and rather crappy

http://www.westsidebikeside.com/humm...gun-in-my-car/
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OP:

You are talking about "storm the Bastille" and critical mass, etc. but you still have not made the original situation clear

1) What was the configuration of the group that was riding? Were you en masse, single file or???? you noted "killah Cali ride" and "mob" implying there were a fair number of people
2) Were you following all traffic rules at the time? (the negative way to ask is were you breaking traffic rules)
3) Was the person injured in any way at fault? (ie running a red?)
4) How badly was the person injured
5) How agitated was the confrontation after the accident? you noted throwing a pile if bikes in front of the car? What was the verbal confrontation? were there threats on both sides.

I can help but feeling we still are getting a very one sided view if the events. I apologize if am wrong but you could clear that up really quickly with details.

Could it be that the cops didn't ticket the driver for hitting a cyclist because the cyclist was in the legal wrong? Did the situation get so crazy after they tried to drive away that it gave the cops a reasonable excuse to let the guy go? You used the word mob....how many people were involved?

I am not defending bad behavior on drivers or cops, but that also applies to cyclists also.....and there is not enough information to even guess as the total situation.
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Why is it even legal for cars to be on the road with no plates?
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wow. next time I'm the only cyclist and intimidated by the hundreds of cars around me, driving erratically and dominating the road I'll remember this cops words to justify my hauling off and pounding one of the drivers into a pile of salt.
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Why is it even legal for cars to be on the road with no plates?
I also thought is was illegal to flee the scene of an collision as well as to evade the police by hopping out of a car and running when the police order you to stop. Plus, how about the threats about talking to the police.

LAPD Officer Cho is messed up in the head.
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more than his head is going to be messed up soon. All the major bike activists in LA or on his case now.
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" 4 bike run over by a hummer tonight. new tallbike is totaled cops
let the driver go. "

"'mini_penny: Accident in DTLA on killah cali ride. 1 rider to the
hospital for his ankle. 4 more bikes totaled. "

"Driver caught, released after reports taken. My bike is totaled. "


no, we werent at the light yet, this ******* in a hummer h3 just plowed through like a dick and hit a guy, we started to tell him he hit somebody and had to stop and they started saying they had guns and ****, so we went in front of the car. i started to call the police\paramedics for the hurt guy, and was getting my\his bike off the street when the hummer revved up and drove over the pile of bikes in front of him. one got lodged under his car and he took it with him to the next intersection, where the cops stopped him.

then, after like two or three hours of bull**** and more bull****, the cops reasoned that our mob mentality frightened these innocent doogooders and that we incited him to hit us by being there? The ****ing cop even said ''Id have done the same thing in that situation''


Just incredible http://www.midnightridazz.com/forums.php?topicId=9064

I know this does not speak for the entire LAPD, I have come across many officers that love cyclists and sometimes escort the larger rides of 100+ riders, but I am just amazed that there are still cops that take their own personal feelings into enforcing the law. How can hey release this driver and then treat the riders like the criminals?
What the hell is this gibberish? Is this suppose to garner some reaction beyond the typical "OMG !! Cops suck, Motorists are evil" response of the A&S Shock Troops?

The photos a nice touch, BTW.
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What the hell is this gibberish? Is this suppose to garner some reaction beyond the typical "OMG !! Cops suck, Motorists are evil" response of the A&S Shock Troops?

The photos a nice touch, BTW.
I just wanted to share a story of how some cops don't even give a rats ass about cyclists' safety.
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I just wanted to share a story of how some cops don't even give a rats ass about cyclists' safety.
So far there are not enough details to estabilsh if that is true or not.

At best what has been estabished is that a cop (per you) stated that he would have run over bikes thrown in front of a vehicle surrounded by an angry mob......

I repeat a previous post looking for details, which the OP seems reluctant to provide

Repeat comments:

You are talking about "storm the Bastille" and critical mass, etc. but you still have not made the original situation clear

1) What was the configuration of the group that was riding? Were you en masse, single file or???? you noted "killah Cali ride" and "mob" implying there were a fair number of people
2) Were you following all traffic rules at the time? (the negative way to ask is were you breaking traffic rules)
3) Was the person injured in any way at fault? (ie running a red?)
4) How badly was the person injured
5) How agitated was the confrontation after the accident? you noted throwing a pile if bikes in front of the car? What was the verbal confrontation? were there threats on both sides.

I can help but feeling we still are getting a very one sided view if the events. I apologize if am wrong but you could clear that up really quickly with details.

Could it be that the cops didn't ticket the driver for hitting a cyclist because the cyclist was in the legal wrong? Did the situation get so crazy after they tried to drive away that it gave the cops a reasonable excuse to let the guy go? You used the word mob....how many people were involved?

I am not defending bad behavior on drivers or cops, but that also applies to cyclists also.....and there is not enough information to even guess as the total situation.
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it's true they (the LAPD) don't. here's more jibberish:

in the last two years I have been stopped and harrassed for a bike license 3 times, stopped for not having lights twice (i always have lights), given three bogus red light tickets (all dismissed), and almost been hit numerous times by LAPD squad cars (some times intentionally). the few times i;ve stopped and asked an officer to help me catch a motorist in the act of assault they responded to me "you dont have a helmet" you probably deserved it" "what do you expect you are in the street" and "you don't have ligh's". i've been tailed at 20mph for a few miles by squad cars a LOT. it's like they got a fetish or something.

most all of the above occured in the cental LAPD division where the OP incident occured. there is a definate anti cyclist vibe out there and core cyclists know it.

on the westside i dont feel that vibe constantly.. well except for the SMPD. but that's another story.
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It was 12 or so riders riding in a small mass
They stuck to their own lane
The person injured was not running a red light
HE went to the ER for a injured ankle

The driver hit one rider, after honking at the riders, and the others chased him so they could get his license plate, the driver drive into other riders ahead of him who tried to slow him.
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Based on the original post, and the link, I think I could argue this either way. I am not a lawyer, but in my line of work, I have to consider how the lawyers for both sides will work something.

(1) Local LE agencies advise drivers, who feel threatened at an crash scene, to leave the area, and drive to a local police station.

(2) Being surrounded by hostile persons can surely be used to support #1 above, whether those hostile persons are on bicycles or not.

(3) Attempts to confine/restrain a person, without clear legal justification, are, quite simply, illegal, and can be a felony. I am not saying this was the case in the LA incident, just speaking generally.

My gut feeling is that the hummer driver was wrong, wrong, wrong, and more wrong, but I bet a decent lawyer can argue otherwise, and perhaps do it successfully. The sheer number of cyclists involved, to testify against the driver, is largely irrelevant, as the cyclists are biased witnesses at best, and suspects, at worst.

Something to consider is that this investigation may not be complete. Perhaps the case needs to be investigated further, or presented to a grand jury? If a citation was issued, and the motorist pays it, filing a higher charge later can be very problematic. The Constitution guarantees us protection from double jeopardy, which is being tried twice for the same crime.
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It was 12 or so riders riding in a small mass
They stuck to their own lane
The person injured was not running a red light
HE went to the ER for a injured ankle

The driver hit one rider, after honking at the riders, and the others chased him so they could get his license plate, the driver drive into other riders ahead of him who tried to slow him.
Ok....it getting clearer.

again....not defending bad behavior....the driver seems to be at fault in many areas,but getting to the gritty details

First afaik....riding in a mass is not legal (imho it is bad press for bicylist, whether casual, races, or what) which could give a policeman more leeway to not charge a driver for hitting a cyclist.

Second the story seems to change.....before it was you threw a bikes in front of the SUV and the driver drove over them...this post says the driver drove into othere bicyclists. Which one was it?

This type of incosistency weakens you postion when discussing it with the powers that be.
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