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    Bike-Car accident on Cops

    I was watching Cops yesterday and the officers were called to an accident involving a car and a bicycle. When they arrive, they found a Toyota Corolla that drove off the road and landed in the woods. They asked the lady driving the car what happened, and wanted to know where the cyclist was. She says she was just driving along a straight road and skidded off. Where's the cyclist? She says she doesn't know anything about a cyclist.

    The cops figure that the call was wrong, so they wave away the ambulance that arrives. Few minutes later, a dazed teenager comes stumbling up to the cops, drenched in blood. He had no memory of the crash and couldn't tell them which direction he was traveling or why. He didn't know his address and couldn't give them a name of someone to call. Upon closer inspection of the car, there was a teenager sized dent in the hood and the windshield was smashed like it hit a person.There was no other obstacle that would've made such a mark. They also found a bike in the woods, smashed to bits. The witness that called it in was driving behind the woman, and said she just smashed into the back of the bike, the kid flipped 10 feet into the air, and then they both skidded off the road.

    The kicker is this: the woman was charged with failure to maintain lane! She nearly killed a 14 year old on a bike, then lied and said she never hit anyone, and she gets charged with failure to maintain lane?? What the hell is up with our justice system?
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    I saw that too, that was very disturbing
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    I think sometimes we get a little too upset with "leniency" toward the driver when there is an accident involving a car and a bike. Accidents happen, and when they do tickets are issued for the violation committed and not for the result. I didn't see this one so I can't say whats fair or not but it sounds like she got charged with what she did, failure to maintain lane.

    Its sucks when an accident involves a bike because the rider is so vulnerable, but if there was no malice then its just a ticket for the violation committed, even if someone gets killed.
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    i watch too much cops; think i've seen that one at least a few times. yeah, it's crazy she could get away with that... too bad it wasn't the mayor she hit, instead of some powerless/unconnected child.

    there's another episode where they're pulling over a car, and during the questioning a car hits a bike right behind them. unfortunately, they got most of the hit on tape too.

    that show is crazy, yet i love it.

    btw anyone watch "jail" - kinda like that show too. makes me so happy to be free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideCO View Post
    I think sometimes we get a little too upset with "leniency" toward the driver when there is an accident involving a car and a bike. Accidents happen, and when they do tickets are issued for the violation committed and not for the result. I didn't see this one so I can't say whats fair or not but it sounds like she got charged with what she did, failure to maintain lane.

    Its sucks when an accident involves a bike because the rider is so vulnerable, but if there was no malice then its just a ticket for the violation committed, even if someone gets killed.
    What would happen if she hit a pedestrian? What if it was a 3 year old on a bike? The part that makes it worse is that she lied about the fact that she hit someone, and it literally delayed him from getting help for like 10 minutes. If the guy hadn't regained consciousness, he could've laid there until he died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n00bL35 View Post
    What would happen if she hit a pedestrian? What if it was a 3 year old on a bike? The part that makes it worse is that she lied about the fact that she hit someone, and it literally delayed him from getting help for like 10 minutes. If the guy hadn't regained consciousness, he could've laid there until he died.
    If it was a 3 year old it would be a tragic accident, but an accident. What if nobody was there and she just drifted onto the shoulder, then back on the road? That has happened to me, it has happened to everybody.

    I agree that Lying about it is the real problem, like if she left the scene, and because of that I suppose the cops were too 'lenient', but what can they charge her with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideCO View Post
    If it was a 3 year old it would be a tragic accident, but an accident. What if nobody was there and she just drifted onto the shoulder, then back on the road? That has happened to me, it has happened to everybody.

    I agree that Lying about it is the real problem, like if she left the scene, and because of that I suppose the cops were too 'lenient'
    , but what can they charge her with?
    if she lied about it, i'd start with "obstructing justice" and go from there.

    they can tack on all kinds of fun stuff if they really want to.

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    Accidents are no ones fault. The driver hitting the cyclist was clearly an accident because it wasn't her fault she drove off the road, hit the cyclist, and continued off the road. Really, it's no one's fault. /sarcasm
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyossarian View Post
    Accidents are no ones fault. The driver hitting the cyclist was clearly an accident because it wasn't her fault she drove off the road, hit the cyclist, and continued off the road. Really, it's no one's fault. /sarcasm
    My point was that her hitting the cyclist was an accident, not a serious crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideCO View Post
    My point was that her hitting the cyclist was an accident, not a serious crime.
    but what she did after the accident made it a more serious crime, i think. (eg lying and trying to cover it up)

    if that was a bike cop she hit, i'm sure they could come up with some better charges..

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    Bet your attitude would change if she hit you from behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideCO View Post
    My point was that her hitting the cyclist was an accident, not a serious crime.
    negligence while operating dangerous machinery (a car) should count as a crime
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    but what she did after the accident made it a more serious crime, i think. (eg lying and trying to cover it up)

    if that was a bike cop she hit, i'm sure they could come up with some better charges..
    agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Val23708 View Post
    negligence while operating dangerous machinery (a car) should count as a crime
    I disagree,

    Failing to keep your car within the lane is not negligence, it is a reasonably minor traffic violation, you can't throw people in jail for that, we would all be in jail, we have all crossed pavement markings on some occasions. The fact that she hit someone is an accident caused by said violation.

    On the other hand if she was drag racing or tearing around like a nut case, that would be negligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Val23708 View Post
    negligence while operating dangerous machinery (a car) should count as a crime
    It is. That's what they charged that old man with for running down all those people in the Santa Monica Farmer's Market.


    Quote Originally Posted by RideCO View Post
    I disagree,

    Failing to keep your car within the lane is not negligence, it is a reasonably minor traffic violation, you can't throw people in jail for that, we would all be in jail, we have all crossed pavement markings on some occasions. The fact that she hit someone is an accident caused by said violation.

    On the other hand if she was drag racing or tearing around like a nut case, that would be negligence.
    Drivers are required to maintain control of their vehicle. Negligence is doing ANYTHING that causes a loss of control. The only thing that could excuse this lady would be if something outside of her control caused her to lose control of the vehicle, such as a malfunction of the vehicle. Yes, it's still an accident either way, but you are still liable for accidents.
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    I'd think the cop would be pissed about being lied to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideCO View Post
    I think sometimes we get a little too upset with "leniency" toward the driver when there is an accident involving a car and a bike. Accidents happen, and when they do tickets are issued for the violation committed and not for the result. I didn't see this one so I can't say whats fair or not but it sounds like she got charged with what she did, failure to maintain lane.

    Its sucks when an accident involves a bike because the rider is so vulnerable, but if there was no malice then its just a ticket for the violation committed, even if someone gets killed.
    But she LIED about it! She was willing to leave the kid there like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideCO View Post
    I disagree,

    Failing to keep your car within the lane is not negligence, it is a reasonably minor traffic violation, you can't throw people in jail for that, we would all be in jail, we have all crossed pavement markings on some occasions. The fact that she hit someone is an accident caused by said violation.

    On the other hand if she was drag racing or tearing around like a nut case, that would be negligence.
    Note to self: when/if I rear-end a cyclist because I'm drifting over the white line, make sure I'm not speeding or "drag racing or tearing around like a nut case". Then it'll just be an accident and I can go on my merry way with a ticket for a "minor traffic violation".
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    seems to me that it is fairly common not to charge drivers with anything when there is an accident. And this is not just with cyclist involvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryStoddard View Post
    But she LIED about it! She was willing to leave the kid there like that.
    That's true. That makes her guilty of felony hit-and-run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n00bl35 View Post
    i was watching cops yesterday and the officers were called to an accident involving a car and a bicycle. When they arrive, they found a toyota corolla that drove off the road and landed in the woods. They asked the lady driving the car what happened, and wanted to know where the cyclist was. She says she was just driving along a straight road and skidded off. Where's the cyclist? She says she doesn't know anything about a cyclist.

    The cops figure that the call was wrong, so they wave away the ambulance that arrives. Few minutes later, a dazed teenager comes stumbling up to the cops, drenched in blood. He had no memory of the crash and couldn't tell them which direction he was traveling or why. He didn't know his address and couldn't give them a name of someone to call. Upon closer inspection of the car, there was a teenager sized dent in the hood and the windshield was smashed like it hit a person.there was no other obstacle that would've made such a mark. They also found a bike in the woods, smashed to bits. The witness that called it in was driving behind the woman, and said she just smashed into the back of the bike, the kid flipped 10 feet into the air, and then they both skidded off the road.

    The kicker is this: The woman was charged with failure to maintain lane! She nearly killed a 14 year old on a bike, then lied and said she never hit anyone, and she gets charged with failure to maintain lane?? What the hell is up with our justice system?
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    here's the problem.. when bikes are involved in accidents you have to remember that bikes are given all due rights of the other vehicles on the road. Meaning that if an accident occurs it is between 2 vehicles(cars). We can't look at the fact that one of those vehicles has no safety restraint system or airbags, because that is a serious point here. Yes the woman should have been been charged with lying(possible obstruction) but it probably will never happen. It is a shame that people get hurt and no one 'pays' for it. Just this past weekend I went to a major accident involving 6 people in 2 vehicles. We flew 3 helo's out and 2 ground units to our closest trauma center. The youngest victim of the accident was 5 and he shattered both of his legs. Why? His driver pulled out in front of a car. What did she get charged with? Failure to yeild. Should she have been charged with more? Yes? But she has to be guilty of something to be charged with first and the officer has to have the balls to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideCO View Post
    Its sucks when an accident involves a bike because the rider is so vulnerable, but if there was no malice then its just a ticket for the violation committed, even if someone gets killed.
    It's thinking like this that angers me...it's not just an "accident" its negligence on the part of the driver. An accident would be if the driver hit and icy patch or something and couldn't control the outcome. People are no longer expected to be responsible for any of their actions...it's always an "accident"..."I didn't see the person" Well its the drivers responsibility to pay attention and unless there are repercussions people feel no need to follow the rules of the road or safe driving practices...

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