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Old 07-15-09, 11:39 PM   #1
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New bike lanes in Canton

I posted this in the regional forum too. These will be the very first bike lanes for the city of Canton and I want to know, does this design look sane to you??

They are going to have 2 directions of bike travel and one side of the road and a small barrier wall between the bike lane and the car lane.

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http://www.cantonrep.com/homepage/x7...ikes-in-Canton

and here is the map. Check out the street cross section to see the bike lane barrier wall.
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Isn't Jayne the hero of Canton?

They must think about how he would feel about these bike lanes.

I do like the idea of a physical barrier. Nothing else other than to give bicyclists the appearance of safety.
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I do like the idea of a physical barrier. Nothing else other than to give bicyclists the appearance of safety.
And will effectively make this a MUP. Watch out for baby strollers, dog walkers, couples in love walking hand in hand...
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And will effectively make this a MUP. Watch out for baby strollers, dog walkers, couples in love walking hand in hand...
That's half the bike lanes here anyways.
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What is the plan for intersections?
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Knowing some of the neighborhoods on the route those strollers will be filled with cans and scrap metal....
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What is the plan for intersections?
That seems to be the big engineering question. The same question was asked in the regional forum, 2 way bike free for all?
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What is the plan for intersections?
They should raise the bike path 1/2" above street level and pave it in color, to make it noticable to motorists so they watch for bikes coming from both directions.
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No. This is a horrible design for an on street MUP for so many reasons.

They say "the on-street bike trails will require the city to modify traffic signals and the roadway", looking at the map I doubt every of the many intersections, not to mention driveways, are signalized. How will those be dealt with? Yikes.
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Maybe the city engineer should come up with a route that connects areas people actually want to go. A bike lane would be on or near a major road that goes somewhere. A MUP is used to connect parks.
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Bike lanes off to one side work when they are very few intersections or very little cross traffic. I don't think I would be too fussy about this design in an urban core. Speeds would have to kept down or I could see a lot of accidents in the future. One area where this works is near me. The Blair Trail that runs from Kitchener into Cambridge runs on the east side of the road. There about 5 driveways and no intersections as the road runs along the edge of the flood plain of the Grand River. Unfortunately, there is no effective barrier between the cycling lanes and the road save for some flimsy reflective posts
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I just did a bit of math on the cross-section. Something much more orthodox would be to have 11 ft travel lanes, parallel parking on one side, and a 5 ft bike lane on the other. The side with parallel parking would have a 7 ft wide spaces marked with T's or crosses, a 3 ft no-go door zone area, and a 5 ft bike lane next to that.

Since there is parallel parking, I doubt the street is a high-speed one, so the 11 ft travel lanes should be OK. If they insist on 12 ft travel lanes, 4 ft BLs would be OK too; however, current recommendations w/r/t BLs next to parallel parking require 5 ft (but no door zone buffer area). Come to think of it, this proposed project can be a reasonable test of seeing how well having a hatched or otherwise marked no-go door zone area works safety-wise.
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