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Old 07-24-09, 09:32 PM   #1
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Apparently cops hate us too!

http://forums.officer.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=125999

Here are some highlights:

In my area we have several bicyclists complaining about the "right to ride" on city streets, which I have no problem with...BUT......They run red lights and stop signs. No tickets yet, but I have gotten on the loudspeaker advising them they need to stop for those red signs and lights. Never had a bad look yet. These guys are to first to complain about their rights to the road being violated by some jagoff in a car not giving them room or throwing things to them, but Ive seen them act just as stupidly.

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You should obey the rules of the road no matter how inconvenient it may be for you. I get so tired of the cyclists complaining about the motorist's. Cyclist's, most of the time, are worse than motorist's when it comes to traffic violation's. The commit violation's in front of officer's on a daily basis around here. I dont have the time to stop and cite them, especially when subjected to all the whining and complaining. When there is an accident involving a cyclist it's usually almost always the cyclist fault. If my department ever gets funding for overtime cyclist enforcement, I'm signing up and writing my 2 citation books worth.

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And what is wrong with what he said? Stop for stop signs and lights. Hopefully he will write some tickets.
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I read that whole thread, it sounds more like annoyance than hate.
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And what is wrong with what he said? Stop for stop signs and lights. Hopefully he will write some tickets.
I agree the cops have the right to enforce traffic laws, but I'm concerned about the statement "When there is an accident involving a cyclist it's usually almost always the cyclist fault."

Such prejudice could easily lead a cop to side with a motorist in a scenario where the motorist hits a cyclist while texting and says "officer, he swerved."
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I read that whole thread, it sounds more like annoyance than hate.
Maybe "hate" is strong word, but remember this is "A/S"...

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I agree the cops have the right to enforce traffic laws, but I'm concerned about the statement "When there is an accident involving a cyclist it's usually almost always the cyclist fault."

Such prejudice could easily lead a cop to side with a motorist in a scenario where the motorist hits a cyclist while texting and says "officer, he swerved."
Relax,
its called profiling, cops are trained to do it all the time; for more than just cyclists. For example they can use this training to decide fairly accurately who is hiding drugs based on their skin color and age.
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I'll definitely follow the rules of the road, no matter if cops side with motorists.
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Hate? The OP may have led an extremely sheltered life. Of, perhaps, s/he enjoys the role of drama king/queen.

In general, I consider drama counterproductive for cycling safety and advocacy.
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http://forums.officer.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=125999

Here are some highlights:

In my area we have several bicyclists complaining about the "right to ride" on city streets, which I have no problem with...BUT......They run red lights and stop signs. No tickets yet, but I have gotten on the loudspeaker advising them they need to stop for those red signs and lights. Never had a bad look yet. These guys are to first to complain about their rights to the road being violated by some jagoff in a car not giving them room or throwing things to them, but Ive seen them act just as stupidly.

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You should obey the rules of the road no matter how inconvenient it may be for you. I get so tired of the cyclists complaining about the motorist's. Cyclist's, most of the time, are worse than motorist's when it comes to traffic violation's. The commit violation's in front of officer's on a daily basis around here. I dont have the time to stop and cite them, especially when subjected to all the whining and complaining. When there is an accident involving a cyclist it's usually almost always the cyclist fault. If my department ever gets funding for overtime cyclist enforcement, I'm signing up and writing my 2 citation books worth.
I don't know what planet this cop is on, but drivers are much worse violators of traffic laws than cyclists. Let that cop tell me with a straight face that at any given 4 way stop that even HALF of the drivers make a full stop.

The cop suffers from the same mentality as many many drivers, who believe that cyclists just don't belong on the road. Its sad that those that supposedly are here to protect everyone, including cyclists, are completely biased against them.
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One of these days, if I see an anti-cycling thread come up saying that most cyclists don't follow the law or to tell cyclists to get off the road and into sidewalks, I'd chuckle, smile, and move on, while asking myself, "who cares."

But sometimes, I can grab some and read on (and have some fresh, hot sweet tea after I'm done with BikeForums.net).

'xcuse my off-topic comment, but can't resist posting it...
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I don't know what planet this cop is on, but drivers are much worse violators of traffic laws than cyclists. Let that cop tell me with a straight face that at any given 4 way stop that even HALF of the drivers make a full stop.

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I see posts with this comment all the time, but at least where I live and drive I simply don't see this behaviour. I hit multiple 4 way stops, on my standard routes every day and have seen only one motorist do this....and she almost took me out. I'm not saying it's not different elsewhere, but i don't see it.

But i do see far more cyclists doing thing like ignoring lights, running stop signs as at speed.

The city of San Jose does a bike/car collision study.....for 2007 43% were cycllist fault, 28 driver and 21 can't figure

the root cause of collisions where thhe cyclist is at fault are listed below. (with wrong way as highest in incidents, followed by failure to yield to stop and mid block pull out in third.




WW Wrong Way: Bicyclist riding on wrong side of roadway.
MP Mid-Block Pull-Out: Bicyclist riding from driveway onto roadway.
MD Mid-Block Dash: Bicyclist attempts to cross roadway when unsafe to do so at a mid-block location.
SS Sideswipe: Motorist drives too close to pedestrian and contact ensues.
FS Failure to Yield, Stop Sign/Signal: Bicyclist does not stop at stop sign or yield to signal.
LC Lane Change: Bicyclist changes lane in an unsafe manner.
SOLO Solo: Accident involving a bicyclist only.
FR Failure to Yield, Right Turn: Bicyclist making a right turn does not yield to oncoming traffic.
FL Failure to Yield, Left Turn: Bicyclist making a left turn does not yield to oncoming traffic.
FINT Failure to Yield in Intersection: Bicyclist does not yield to a motorist in the intersection, not defined by FR or FL.
OTHER Other: Collision type not defined by any of the types above (eg. Intoxicated bicyclist, faulty bike components, towed by vehicle).
UNK Unknown: Not enough information present in report to determine
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I see a higher percentage of cops breaking traffic laws than I do cyclist. I particularly appreciate watching a cop turn on their overhead lights to run a red and as soon as they are clear of the intersection they turn the lights off.

Illegal use of emergency lights is far worse than a cyclist simply rolling a stop sign.

I have lost most of the respect for cops that I once had.
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MP Mid-Block Pull-Out: Bicyclist riding from driveway onto roadway.
There is a variant of this not in the list - "Bicyclist riding from roadway onto sidewalk."

I saw someone do just that recently. They promptly head-ended another sidewalk rider.

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And what is wrong with what he said?
he's completely biased and an example of a cop with entirely the wrong attitude. To start with, most studies of crashes indicate that fault/responsibility is shared approximately equally (50:50) between adult cyclists and motorists, and the OP just went downhill from there.

plus the OP on the cop forum was a complete troll post, not sure what to think now.

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I don't know what planet this cop is on, but drivers are much worse violators of traffic laws than cyclists. Let that cop tell me with a straight face that at any given 4 way stop that even HALF of the drivers make a full stop.
You seem to be confusing matters and throwing up strawmen.

In Austin, people have picked certain stop-sign intersections and counted the vehicles who stop, roll and blow through the intersection. It depends on the particular intersection and how much traffic it gets, but they've generally found that around 40% of the motorists stop properly, 50% roll through the intersection at a low rate of speed and 10% run through it at speed. Looking at bikes, the figures are more like 10%, 50% and 40% respectively. These figures are approximate, but they give the general idea.

In short, both cars and bikes break the law more than half of the time, but bikes do it somewhat more, and bikes are far more likely to blow the intersection rather than slow and roll through. To be fair, a bike going through an intersection without slowing may go at the same speed as a car that slowed first, but the two incidents would go into different categories above.

Ultimately, cars and bikes both break the law in large numbers at stop signs and red lights. But bikes do it a somewhat larger percentage of the time, and in a more dangerous way. But in the vast majority of the cases, both types of vehicles do it when it's safe to do it -- so it's not a safety issue, it's a `obey the law' issue.

But getting away from intersections, cars break other laws that bikes don't. Cyclists occasionally speed, for example, but cars speed a lot. If you add in the speeding, considering that something like half the cars on the road are likely to be speeding at any given time (more than half if you look only at roads away from intersections), I'd say that cars break the law more than bikes.

EDIT: `bikes are far more likely [than cars] to blow the intersection ...'

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it's usually almost always the cyclist fault.[/B] [/QUOTE]

The city should spend some money hiring literate officers first. Secondly, anybody walking around chanting at people on the street with a loudspeaker should be restrained for study.
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Then what happens when a 5 year old runs a stop sign or a red light?
His Big Wheel gets impounded, and his Playground License is suspended for 30 days......
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I see a higher percentage of cops breaking traffic laws than I do cyclist. I particularly appreciate watching a cop turn on their overhead lights to run a red and as soon as they are clear of the intersection they turn the lights off.

Illegal use of emergency lights is far worse than a cyclist simply rolling a stop sign.

I have lost most of the respect for cops that I once had.
You can only speculate about actions an officer takes and yet you choose to assume the worst. Unless you're tuned in to the same radio channel listening to what the cop may be monitoring, following or responding to you're only armchair quarterbacking, and you're not doing a very good job of it.
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These cops seem to be okay with cyclists:





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You can only speculate about actions an officer takes and yet you choose to assume the worst. Unless you're tuned in to the same radio channel listening to what the cop may be monitoring, following or responding to you're only armchair quarterbacking, and you're not doing a very good job of it.
Your right, the cops must have been responding to emergency calls at the police station that I watched them eventually pull into during my daily commutes to work.

What would be the radio call that would cause the cops to not use their turn signals on 90% of their turns and lane changes in Honolulu?

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What would be the radio call that would cause the cops to not use their turn signals on 90% of their turns and lane changes in Honolulu?
Regardless of your arbitrary 90% figure, probably none. Must just be that laid back Honolulu attitude.....something it appears you know little about.
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Maybe "hate" is strong word, but remember this is "A/S"...
And A&S=Mars to a lot of other folks here. Please follow along and practice what thou art preaching. You are setting the example for others, it is hoped.
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Yeah, cops hate us too, but it's only because of the money. We hardly ever go over the speed limit... so their speed guns are not a formidable weapon against us.

But most of the time, THEY SIMPLY IGNORE US, for better or worse.
I went to junior high and high school with a number of the members of my police department. Their children have become adults in many cases and they are becoming grandparents. Why, for one single minute would they be ignoring a group that they could teach?
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I went to junior high and high school with a number of the members of my police department. Their children have become adults in many cases and they are becoming grandparents. Why, for one single minute would they be ignoring a group that they could teach?
Cops are not teachers, in fact most of them aren't qualified to be teachers.
There's a reason its called law Enforcement not law education.
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Cops here pretty much hate everyone.
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