cyclists are idiots
08-21-09, 07:39 PM
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I can certainly appreciate the "car guys" being upset about people putting their hands all over their personal property. Most here wouldn't appreciate someone being careless with one of their prized possessions, so I don't understand the hate shown towards the classic car owners. What it may be, there is something that you have worked hard for, and you don't want people taking risks around. I'd hate to see what a pedal could do to a car door..
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08-21-09, 08:21 PM
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08-21-09, 08:51 PM
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08-22-09, 09:17 AM
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Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.
The OP's point is valid. Those bicyclists were interfering where they shouldn't have been.
Share the road works both ways. No one needs to tell me that that usually means that the cars ought to be more polite to the bicycles.
But this is one of the fairly rare cases where the opposite is true.
Share the road works both ways. No one needs to tell me that that usually means that the cars ought to be more polite to the bicycles.
But this is one of the fairly rare cases where the opposite is true.
08-22-09, 09:35 AM
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Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.
Your brother may make money at restoring older vehicles, but my personal experiences, as well as watching others, I'd have to say that the majority of car enthusiasts do not and are well into the red ink if and when they sell their vehicle.
If a car enthusiast is worried about their classic/vintage car being scratched or dented, the open road or city streets is not the place to take it, keep it in the garage, trailer, or at a car show in a roped off stall, even those are no guarantees.
The only real guarantee that I see against having one's classic/vintage car from being scratched or damaged is not to have one at all.
If a car enthusiast is worried about their classic/vintage car being scratched or dented, the open road or city streets is not the place to take it, keep it in the garage, trailer, or at a car show in a roped off stall, even those are no guarantees.
The only real guarantee that I see against having one's classic/vintage car from being scratched or damaged is not to have one at all.
Hmm.
Again, what TVS_SS said:
08-22-09, 01:12 PM
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My guess is that among adult bicycling enthusiasts, cyclists tend to be more highly educated. A LAB poll confirms this: "The 'average' respondent was a 48 year-old, married (66%) male (80%) professional...."
Obviously this poll was not a valid sample of all adult bicyclists, but was heavily skewed toward the type of enthusiast who would join LAB.
I find the car vs. bike thing amusing. By far, I see more unsafe bicycling than unsafe driving, per vehicle observed. Only anecdotal of course, but it is impossible to ride a bike path or multi use path without seeing incompetent, wobbly, 3 or 4 abreast riders all riding as if oblivious to the notion there might be other vehicles around.
Even on the road, it is common to see people riding the wrong way, not stopping at stop signs (OK, I treat them as 'Yield' signs myself when I can) or red lights.
We want equal and fair treatment on the roads, we ought to do our part. Whether these are classic cars or not is not the point. Cyclists should show respect for the rules of the road, just as we want to be respected as vehicle operators, not kids on toys.
Obviously this poll was not a valid sample of all adult bicyclists, but was heavily skewed toward the type of enthusiast who would join LAB.
I find the car vs. bike thing amusing. By far, I see more unsafe bicycling than unsafe driving, per vehicle observed. Only anecdotal of course, but it is impossible to ride a bike path or multi use path without seeing incompetent, wobbly, 3 or 4 abreast riders all riding as if oblivious to the notion there might be other vehicles around.
Even on the road, it is common to see people riding the wrong way, not stopping at stop signs (OK, I treat them as 'Yield' signs myself when I can) or red lights.
We want equal and fair treatment on the roads, we ought to do our part. Whether these are classic cars or not is not the point. Cyclists should show respect for the rules of the road, just as we want to be respected as vehicle operators, not kids on toys.
08-22-09, 07:19 PM
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People on roads are idiots. Whether in cars or on bikes. Common sense and courtesy should be the watchwords and not a holier than though attitude about who is morally right in their actions. If you're holding up traffic move the f' over regardless of whether your on a car or on a bike. I friggin hate it when a group ride won't move to single file on a two lane road when there's traffic behind. It's just plan rude.
Share the road. It works two ways.
Share the road. It works two ways.
08-22-09, 08:21 PM
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I have no influence over these people. They probably are motorists on a bike for a day. Asking me to straighten them out is just as ridiculous as asking a motorist to straighten out a 17 y.o. kid in a noisy Honda going twice the speed limit. I have contemplated discussing bike safety with the some of the cyclists I see that obviously only ride occasionally. I don't know if it would be productive, or if their bikes were going back in the garage to sit for another 10 years anyway.
08-22-09, 08:50 PM
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I have no influence over these people. They probably are motorists on a bike for a day. Asking me to straighten them out is just as ridiculous as asking a motorist to straighten out a 17 y.o. kid in a noisy Honda going twice the speed limit. I have contemplated discussing bike safety with the some of the cyclists I see that obviously only ride occasionally. I don't know if it would be productive, or if their bikes were going back in the garage to sit for another 10 years anyway.
This is almost the opposite of controlling. We can set good examples by the way we ride and the way we drive.
08-22-09, 08:59 PM
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'educatation'
08-23-09, 09:08 PM
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08-23-09, 10:52 PM
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Why a cyclist would want to be in a car show is beyond me. I tend to agree with the original poster. I'm a Canadian who has never been to Detroit but even our small towns have more than one road. Maybe Detroit should get a second road, then motorists and cyclists could both be happy in August.
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People on bikes are not idiots. I like and always attend CRITICAL MASS. It when a lot of bicycles go in the street, with police and they are not prevent cars. Here a video of Critical Mass in Vilnius, capital of Lithuania and Europe Culture 2009:
https://www.netiks.lt/video.php?videoid=325
Critical Mass are on every last month friday
https://www.netiks.lt/video.php?videoid=325
Critical Mass are on every last month friday
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Not all of them, obviously.
And you are the obvious exception.
Before you generalize upon what goes on in your city, I wish to bring to your attention that the typical American "Critical Mass" is not protected by police, and usually "directs" the traffic as they please.
No kidding!
-Kurt
And you are the obvious exception.
No kidding!-Kurt
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08-28-09, 10:27 PM
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08-29-09, 01:47 PM
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My guess is that among adult bicycling enthusiasts, cyclists tend to be more highly educated. A LAB poll confirms this: "The 'average' respondent was a 48 year-old, married (66%) male (80%) professional...."
Obviously this poll was not a valid sample of all adult bicyclists, but was heavily skewed toward the type of enthusiast who would join LAB.
I find the car vs. bike thing amusing. By far, I see more unsafe bicycling than unsafe driving, per vehicle observed. Only anecdotal of course, but it is impossible to ride a bike path or multi use path without seeing incompetent, wobbly, 3 or 4 abreast riders all riding as if oblivious to the notion there might be other vehicles around.
Even on the road, it is common to see people riding the wrong way, not stopping at stop signs (OK, I treat them as 'Yield' signs myself when I can) or red lights.
We want equal and fair treatment on the roads, we ought to do our part. Whether these are classic cars or not is not the point. Cyclists should show respect for the rules of the road, just as we want to be respected as vehicle operators, not kids on toys.
Obviously this poll was not a valid sample of all adult bicyclists, but was heavily skewed toward the type of enthusiast who would join LAB.
I find the car vs. bike thing amusing. By far, I see more unsafe bicycling than unsafe driving, per vehicle observed. Only anecdotal of course, but it is impossible to ride a bike path or multi use path without seeing incompetent, wobbly, 3 or 4 abreast riders all riding as if oblivious to the notion there might be other vehicles around.
Even on the road, it is common to see people riding the wrong way, not stopping at stop signs (OK, I treat them as 'Yield' signs myself when I can) or red lights.
We want equal and fair treatment on the roads, we ought to do our part. Whether these are classic cars or not is not the point. Cyclists should show respect for the rules of the road, just as we want to be respected as vehicle operators, not kids on toys.
We all have influence on others, not influence 'over' people, not control, but by our words and actions we can educate and influence. I agree, we can't 'straighten them out.' Influence is like educatation. The root of 'educate' means to 'draw out from within, to nourish, to lead.'
This is almost the opposite of controlling. We can set good examples by the way we ride and the way we drive.
This is almost the opposite of controlling. We can set good examples by the way we ride and the way we drive.
