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Old 09-01-09, 07:02 AM
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another senseless death

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1271489/

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Toronto — Globe and Mail Update Last updated on Tuesday, Sep. 01, 2009 08:52AM EDT

Ontario's former attorney general Michael Bryant is in police custody after a fatal hit-and-run in Toronto's Yorkville neighbourhood Monday night.

The collision left a 33-year-old cyclist dead and both Mr. Bryant and his Saab convertible in police hands as traffic and homicide officers combed Bloor Street for evidence overnight. Mr. Bryant has not been charged.

Video from the scene

The ordeal began around 9:45 p.m., on Bloor Street between Bay Street and Avenue Road, at a traffic light. Police said the cyclist and a man in a convertible got into an “altercation.” What followed next is unclear, but according to witness accounts, the cyclist found himself gripping to the outside of the car driver's door as it sped away.

The car apparently swerved to the oncoming lane of traffic along Bloor, very close to the sidewalk that the cyclist hung over. “He started going (driving) onto the sidewalk,” said Manuel Machado, a construction worker standing on the street as it unfolded.

“I heard the tires screech,” said Ryan Brazeau, another worker. “He (the cyclist) was right literally at the front windshield, almost holding on to the driver.”

The driver was now going west in the eastbound curb lane, leaving the cyclist clinging to the curbside door of the car. The cyclist, clinging to the car as it sped away, then struck trees and a grey mailbox like a “human battering ram,” Mr. Brazeau said.

“You could hear hitting, something, bam, bam, bam,” a third worker said.

The cyclist fell off the car when he struck the mailbox, and collapsed in a heap of blood on the sidewalk in front of Sephora. The driver kept going, hanging a right at Avenue Road.

“He was going fast enough that we couldn't recognize the car or the license plate,” Mr. Brazeau said.

A car matching descriptions from other witnesses, registered to Mr. Bryant, was found a short time later in the parking lot of the Hyatt hotel, which sits on the northwest corner of Bloor and Avenue, just metres from the crash site.

Television images captured Mr. Bryant in the back of a police cruiser. He was arrested moments after the crash.

The car had extensive damage to the right driver's side door; the passenger door, and the front driver's side fender. The car was taken away on a police tow truck around 5:20 a.m. by an officer with a set of keys.

The injured man, meanwhile, was bleeding from his mouth and ears, and from several gashes across his face. Paramedics rushed him to hospital without vital signs just before 10 p.m., and he was pronounced dead just after 11 p.m., Toronto police Traffic Services Sergeant Tim Burrows said.

His name wasn't released. Sgt. Burrows confirmed that the death “appears as a result of coming into contact with some objects on the side of the road.”

Several people, including someone "closely related" to Mr. Bryant, called 911, police said.

The workers told police they believed it appeared that the driver knew the man was on the car, which had its top down. “How can you explain the guy going the wrong way?” Mr. Machado said.

Asked if the driver was trying to knock the person off his car by striking objects, Sgt. Burrows replied: “No idea at this point in time.”

The death meant that the Homicide Squad was called in, but as of 5 a.m., the case was still in the hands of Traffic Services, considered the city's 23rd road fatality of the year. “Homicide was notified because of the fact there's a death involved. This appears to be more than just a traffic accident,” Sgt. Burrows said. “Right now, it's classified as ours (Traffic Services, not the Homicide Squad). If anything comes out of the investigation, that could change.”

Investigators are sifting through extensive security camera footage from the retail strip but still appealed for witnesses to come forward.

“Right off the top, we do know there were a lot of people involved who were in the area at the time. We've seen that on surveillance footage,” Sgt. Burrows said.

During Bloor's nine-hour closure -- the street re-opened around 7:30 a.m. -- officers scoured Bloor Street. Evidence markers suggested the altercation began in the northernmost, westbound curb lane in front of United Colours of Benetton, before swerving across two middle lanes that were closed for construction and continuing west in the southernmost, eastbound lane.

“Different decisions on either part would have led to such different outcomes,” one collision reconstruction unit officer said. “It's just so bizarre.”

Before Mr. Bryant's identity was revealed, Sgt. Burrows said the driver was facing a fail-to-remain charge and a dangerous driving charge, as well as an investigation into the circumstances of the crash. That investigation is still in the early stages.

Mr. Bryant served as Ontario's attorney general and a high profile cabinet minister to Premier Dalton McGuinty. He left politics earlier this year to take control of Invest Toronto, meant to attract business investment to the Toronto area.

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started with an altercation... I wonder how the altercation started...
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Just saw the other thread started 30mins earlier... for some reason it did not appear in the forum for me until a couple of minutes after I posted mine?! anyway...
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that's because the other thread was moved here from somewhere else
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Hit-And-Run Canada

https://news.ca.msn.com/canada/cp-art...entid=21443250

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Police question former Ontario attorney general over hit-and-run

Former Ontario attorney general Michael Bryant(Colin Perkel-The Canadian Press)

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Former Ontario attorney general Michael Bryant

Former Ontario attorney general Michael Bryant is reportedly being questioned after a hit-and-run in Toronto left a man dead, Monday night.

"There was some sort of altercation between the two people involved in this investigation, which has ended in, unfortunately, the death of a cyclist," said Sgt. Tim Burrows.

Police will not confirm that Bryant was the driver of the car, nor will they say if charges are pending.

The altercation began near the corner of Bloor Street West and Bay Street at about 9:45 p.m.

According to Burrows, the cyclist and a motorist got into an argument with the cyclist then clinging onto a black Saab as it continued west on Bloor.

"Exactly how this has happened, at this point in time, is under investigation," Burrows said.

Police are reviewing video surveillance from the area.

Police said several 911 calls were made during the incident, including one from the driver of the vehicle.

Witness reports indicate the car sped along Bloor Street, crossed into the eastbound lane, mounted the curb and drove along the sidewalk, with the cyclist hanging on.

The witnesses said it appeared as though the driver was attempting to knock the cyclist off by brushing against trees and mailboxes on Bloor Street, approaching Avenue Road.

Police said the cyclist sustained severe injuries after striking a mailbox and a tree while still hanging onto the car.

Witnesses said the cyclist, 33, fell off, was dragged and then run over by the rear wheels of the vehicle.

He was rushed to Toronto's St. Michael's hospital but died of severe head injuries, according to police.

The cyclist was pronounced dead shortly after 11 p.m., police said.

Police spotted the car after it pulled into a nearby hotel. Bryant was later seen in the back of a police cruiser.

Bryant was the province's youngest-ever attorney general. He was first elected MPP for St. Paul's in 1999 and won re-election in 2003 and 2007. He later served as aboriginal affairs minister and minister of economic development.

Bryant resigned from politics in May of this year to take the job as president and CEO of Invest Toronto.

A byelection to replace Bryant as MPP for the riding of St. Paul's is scheduled for Sept. 17.

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Not good. It appears that the driver will be (initially) charged with criminal negligence causign death, and careless operation of a motor vehicle, causing death. Those charges will keep the file in the hands of Traffic Services division of the Metropolitan Toronto Police Service. The driver is the former Ontario Attorney General (i.e.: top cop) who resigned to become a high ranking city of Toronto official.

Witnesses say that the cyclist was in an altercation with the driver of the car, (the car was a convertible, with the top down) while the two were moving westbound along a busy downtown street. The car and cyclsit then crossed the centre line of the road, and continued to travel Westbound in the Eastbound curb lane, until the cyclist was knocked down after hitting trees and a mailbox.

The cyclist was then dragged and eventually run over.

I've got to ask: does anyone here who cycles think that it is a good idea (or even justifiable) to grab onto the driver of a moving car, no matter how badly they might have cut you off?

Also, as a driver, what would you do if a cyclist came up, reached into your car and grabbed you while you were driving? Do you think that you might lose control of your car?
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Originally Posted by Alox
I've got to ask: does anyone here who cycles think that it is a good idea (or even justifiable) to grab onto the driver of a moving car, no matter how badly they might have cut you off?

Also, as a driver, what would you do if a cyclist came up, reached into your car and grabbed you while you were driving? Do you think that you might lose control of your car?
1) not a good idea. take the plate number down, call 911.

2) I don't think it's been confirmed that the cyclist grabbed Bryant while his car was moving. In any case, not a good idea to hit the gas. I would at least try to raise my door window and/or call 911 on the cyclist.
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Originally Posted by Alox
Also, as a driver, what would you do if a cyclist came up, reached into your car and grabbed you while you were driving? Do you think that you might lose control of your car?
My driver's Ed. teacher told us that the correct first response to almost any dangerous situation while driving is to slow down or stop.

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started with an altercation... I wonder how the altercation started...
according to the witness there was an "accident"... car hits cyclist, cyclist slams car with backpack. I think zero jail time and maybe probation, not even sure it'll hurt his career.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1271489/
Raajiv Rajadurai, 23, and a friend were driving east on Bloor when then noticed that a car in the westbound lane had struck a cyclist. The accident didn't look serious, but the biker seemed aggitated.

Mr. Rajadurai said he saw the the cyclist slam his backpack onto the car's hood and then grab the driver's side mirror as the vehicle sped away.

"The driver was going so fast that at one point the biker was holding on to his car and there were sparks coming from the bottom of his shoes," he said.

"It seemed like the driver was trying to shake him off because he turned really suddenly, put on the brakes, jetted it one last time and then all your hear is three thumps and then the guy falls on the floor."

Mr. Rajadurai said that when he got out of his car he noticed that the cyclist wasn't moving. He wasn't wearing a helmet.
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Hell, you can purposely run over and kill a cyclists and get 30 dails in jail. This guy will get nothing. His defense will be that he was in fear for his life and was trying to get away.
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Charges filed:

Criminal negligence causing death
Operation of a motor vehicle resulting in death

He was cleared of being drunk too, they said he was not under suspicion of a DUI in any way whatsoever.
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I just read this and was going to post about it...

It seems unclear at this time what actually happened but would expect details to come in once witnesses are interviewed and the video tape is examined.

I am wondering what possessed Bryant to cross over into the oncoming lane to try and remove the cyclist from the side of the car and wonder if the cyclist was grabbing him and not the car and if so... why did the cyclist not let go ?

More questions than answers right now.
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The cyclist that was killed used to be a courier here in Edmonton...
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Update:

The motorist was charged with criminal negligence causing death and improper operation of vehicle causing death.

The cyclist was "dragged" and fell and was run over.

I don't know what happened. It seems the cyclist grabbed a part of the car and was dragged in this fashion. Not like "dragged" meaning the car hooked onto him somehow.

The cyclist was a bike messenger who was not wearing a helmet.
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Open Season on Cyclists in Canada?

The outcome of this high profile case will either make drivers responsible for their actions or give them the freedom to do as they please.

Weigh in on the discussion Wednesday 11 AM EDT
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There are still too many missing details; those of you with more access, keep the rest of us informed.

From the original story, apparently there was some history there between the two, the implication being unfriendly.

We'll have to see where this leads....

It's just a sad thing that someone -- anyone -- has to die for a 'point of order'. A fundamental principle, like freedom and civil rights, that's one thing, that's what we vets and the present military are about; but there are a lot of lesser things out there that blood is being spilled over.
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Is Michael Bryant gay? I'm just curious.

Anyways, There was a case down the road. Two guys had a fight over a girl. One of the guys jumped in his car to leave but the other guy wanted to finish the fight and he hung onto the car door as the driver drove off. Eventually the guy hanging onto the door fell off. The driver thought the guy was hurt so he backed up to see if he could help him. Anyways, all the witnesses said after the guy fell off the driver backed up to hit him, not to help him. I don't know what to believe,It's still in court

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words were exchanged. Bryant hits Sheppard with car - minor collison. Sheppard held on to the car as Bryant drove away and onto sidewalk on the other side to dislodge him by hitting trees and the mailbox killing him.

Sounds like he'll get off on self-defense.... even if the intent was murder/road rage it'll be hard to get over why the cyclist held on to the car.

You have to wonder why Bryant rammed his car to "dislodge" Sheppard.



https://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...01?hub=Toronto

Burrows said there are three parts of the incident that police are investigating.

The first part is the report of an altercation between the victim and the driver.

Burrows said that shortly after there was a minor collision between the cyclist and the vehicle.

After that, tensions escalated between the two and ended when the cyclist grabbed on to the car and held on, even as the car mounted the curb, hitting several objects in its path.
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https://news.ca.msn.com/canada/cp-art...entid=21443250

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Police question former Ontario attorney general over hit-and-run

Former Ontario attorney general Michael Bryant(Colin Perkel-The Canadian Press)

Colin Perkel-The Canadian Press

Former Ontario attorney general Michael Bryant

Former Ontario attorney general Michael Bryant is reportedly being questioned after a hit-and-run in Toronto left a man dead, Monday night.

"There was some sort of altercation between the two people involved in this investigation, which has ended in, unfortunately, the death of a cyclist," said Sgt. Tim Burrows.

Police will not confirm that Bryant was the driver of the car, nor will they say if charges are pending.

The altercation began near the corner of Bloor Street West and Bay Street at about 9:45 p.m.

According to Burrows, the cyclist and a motorist got into an argument with the cyclist then clinging onto a black Saab as it continued west on Bloor.

"Exactly how this has happened, at this point in time, is under investigation," Burrows said.

Police are reviewing video surveillance from the area.

Police said several 911 calls were made during the incident, including one from the driver of the vehicle.

Witness reports indicate the car sped along Bloor Street, crossed into the eastbound lane, mounted the curb and drove along the sidewalk, with the cyclist hanging on.

The witnesses said it appeared as though the driver was attempting to knock the cyclist off by brushing against trees and mailboxes on Bloor Street, approaching Avenue Road.

Police said the cyclist sustained severe injuries after striking a mailbox and a tree while still hanging onto the car.

Witnesses said the cyclist, 33, fell off, was dragged and then run over by the rear wheels of the vehicle.

He was rushed to Toronto's St. Michael's hospital but died of severe head injuries, according to police.

The cyclist was pronounced dead shortly after 11 p.m., police said.

Police spotted the car after it pulled into a nearby hotel. Bryant was later seen in the back of a police cruiser.

Bryant was the province's youngest-ever attorney general. He was first elected MPP for St. Paul's in 1999 and won re-election in 2003 and 2007. He later served as aboriginal affairs minister and minister of economic development.

Bryant resigned from politics in May of this year to take the job as president and CEO of Invest Toronto.

A byelection to replace Bryant as MPP for the riding of St. Paul's is scheduled for Sept. 17.

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Why was the cyclist holding onto the car? Guess we'll never know.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
Why was the cyclist holding onto the car? Guess we'll never know.
Maybe he thought that simply taking down the license plate number and calling the cops that nothing would be done? Maybe he thought that he could stop Bryant from driving off and then got scared as Bryant took off and didn't want to let go at that speed?

As for that gay question...what? Whatever made the poster think of that in a situation like this?

In any case, this is one of the nuttiest incidents between a driver and cyclist I've ever heard of.
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Road Rage

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He'll be acquitted. He has money & influence. He will claim he felt threatened by the cyclist trying to get into the car to attack him. With no one to tell the cyclists' side, a jury will find this reasonable.
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Originally Posted by Clarks
Is Michael Bryant gay? I'm just curious.
His wife was in the car with him. I hope the police were able to question them separately.
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More details here: https://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/689220
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It's an open-and-shut case, because the voir dire process will ensure that the jury comprises 12 non-bicycling motorists.
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