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Old 12-07-09, 02:41 PM   #76
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He wasn't as he had a short conversation with my wife when he took off his headphones to ask he why she was screaming at him as she was laying on the ground. Does that satisfy you, or do you need a letter from an audiologist?
Obviously he could hear her yelling, even if he did not understand the words, so it is clear that the headphones did not cause the collision. It was just plain bad, rouge cycling.
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Obviously he could hear her yelling, even if he did not understand the words, so it is clear that the headphones did not cause the collision. It was just plain bad, rouge cycling.
No, he couldn't hear her yelling as he didn't even look at her before hitting her. He took the headphones off as she was on the ground and asked her 'what?' He couldn't hear a damn thing as she was yelling.
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Again not saying that he was, but he could have been reading her lips.
Why are you being obtuse?
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this is ********... how is riding with earphones/headphones any different than driving in your car and using the radio.

Many of you probably have a Lexus or other luxury car... by your same argument you could state that all luxury cars should be outlawed because it reduces the noise from the outside.

Lets just call it like it is... there are many stupid human beings out there. Whether they are driving a car or riding a bike, the possibility of them causing a crash is very high.
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Why are you being obtuse?
Not trying to be, just trying to point out some viable explanations as to why the cyclist didn't hear your wife screaming.
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Not trying to be, just trying to point out some viable explanations as to why the cyclist didn't hear your wife screaming.
Headphones would be the most obvious answer considering he was wearing them......
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this is ********... how is riding with earphones/headphones any different than driving in your car and using the radio.

Many of you probably have a Lexus or other luxury car... by your same argument you could state that all luxury cars should be outlawed because it reduces the noise from the outside.

Lets just call it like it is... there are many stupid human beings out there. Whether they are driving a car or riding a bike, the possibility of them causing a crash is very high.
How do you feel about talking on the phone and driving?
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This isn't an ideal thread to be unearthed, but for obvious reasons it was irresistible. Here goes.

Music on the move is a pleasure, not a dangerous distraction says yours truly in an appropriately aged opinion piece. I know you're supposed to kill your darlings, but it felt like the editor cut my balls off:

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What's more, I turn the volume up LOUD. Few of my compatriots would admit to deliberately disabling one of their more important senses; fewer still to cranking the decibels. This strikes me as the Bill Clinton defense: they don't inhale.
The fact is I can usually kinda sorta hear what else is going on. I'm not exactly in an isolation booth, and I still have my other six senses.

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Like it or not, the fact of the matter is that a lot of people space out while listening to music with headphones. I know this because I'm one of them.... For some reason music that isn't played on headphones doesn't have the same effect on me. (To the guy who says that it doesn't happen to you; great but not everyone is like you...)
As to the general point of spacing out, here's a short questionnaire:

When is music not a distraction?
A. When in control of any vehicle heavier than a bicycle

B. If a surgeon, performing an operation

C. Those times you have a baton in your hand and are quite dressed up


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If you can roll them and still function, party on. If you can't, leave 'em at home. There ARE responsibilities when you're in public, mainly to not act like the last human on earth. Or the only one that matters....


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I offer the UK version (speaking of zombies), and the US congress in all its fading glory.

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^^^^

I'd say it was a distraction to the woman weaving all over the MPU who couldn't hear me screaming at the top of my lungs whist trying to pass her today. She didn't hear my bell, she didn't hear me politely ask her to move over so I could pass, and she didn't hear me screaming either. Although she did almost plow into me as I was passing her. On a bike in a city is no place to block out of your senses.
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She didn't hear my bell, she didn't hear me politely ask her to move over so I could pass, and she didn't hear me screaming either.
That's quite an escalation. I hope all your thwarted overtakings aren't quite so dramatic!
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I ride with a bluetooth speaker in my bag. I can hear traffic and communicate but can still enjoy my music.
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I'd say it was a distraction to the woman weaving all over the MPU who couldn't hear me screaming at the top of my lungs whist trying to pass her today. She didn't hear my bell, she didn't hear me politely ask her to move over so I could pass, and she didn't hear me screaming either. Although she did almost plow into me as I was passing her. On a bike in a city is no place to block out of your senses.
Airzound. Get one.

If you're polite, you'll hand her some toilet paper afterwards while telling her, "Next time, pay attention."
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That's quite an escalation. I hope all your thwarted overtakings aren't quite so dramatic!
Up your trolling skills. 2/10.
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Up your trolling skills. 2/10.
My observation is merely that screaming is seldom required when overtaking another cyclist, particularly if one has had time to politely enquire first. In my travels in chaotic London, which is basically an obstacle course, I have never had to shout to avoid what some of my compatriots call zombies, whether pedestrian or cyclist. A few startled strangled yelps perhaps, when a walker has suddenly veered off the sidewalk into Oxford Street without looking.

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Like it or not, the fact of the matter is that a lot of people space out while listening to music with headphones. I know this because I'm one of them.... [my bold] For some reason music that isn't played on headphones doesn't have the same effect on me. (To the guy who says that it doesn't happen to you; great but not everyone is like you...)
And I'm not. I will happily admit that not everyone is like me.

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A lot of people space out no matter what they are doing, music or not, so stop blaming the music.
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Don't know where DX-MAN is from, but here in Massachusetts it is the law that a cyclist has to sound an audible warning before passing a pedestrian. It's always nice if the pedestrian responds in some way to indicate that they heard you. Kind of closes the loop.

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What's so hard about using a single earphone and exposing the other ear for warnings? I regularly ride with only one ear plugged (pavement side).

I cannot fault pedestrians - even though I don't like it - for having both ears plugged, because they are hardly a danger to anyone but themselves IF they follow the rules and stay on the sidewalks.

However, cyclists share the road with fast-moving vehicles where it is several degrees more dangerous. Willingly denying yourself one of your major senses is a big, unnecessary risk imo.
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What's so hard about using a single earphone and exposing the other ear for warnings? I regularly ride with only one ear plugged (pavement side).

I cannot fault pedestrians - even though I don't like it - for having both ears plugged, because they are hardly a danger to anyone but themselves IF they follow the rules and stay on the sidewalks.

However, cyclists share the road with fast-moving vehicles where it is several degrees more dangerous. Willingly denying yourself one of your major senses is a big, unnecessary risk imo.
The problem with pedestrian iDiots is when they DON'T follow rules, or do things unexpectedly because they don't know they're about to be passed.
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The problem with pedestrian iDiots is when they DON'T follow rules, or do things unexpectedly because they don't know they're about to be passed.
Yes it is indeed annoying. Especially those who drift randomly on a pathway that can easily accommodate at least 2 to 3 human beings. They walk near the middle and just sort of weave all over the place as if joggers or cyclists or anyone walking faster than them do not exist.
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I can see why Florida has outlawed headphones while biking.
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That's the case in most, if not all of the US.

Al, that borders on the border...

These iPod zombie cyclists are also planning the takeover of the world in the next cinema epic, "Dawn Of The Shred".
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Not trying to be, just trying to point out some viable explanations as to why the cyclist didn't hear your wife screaming.
They are used to it?
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I can see why Florida has outlawed headphones while biking.
Nor is it permitted while driving in the Sunshine State, though they haven't outlawed car stereos, which apparently have the magical property of not being distracting.

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There are number of vehicles cruising in here to a driving soundtrack, without incident. I think a cyclist would fit right in: lycra on a Village Person? A perfect fit!
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