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Old 07-14-14, 11:29 AM   #126
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I can hear people honking with ear buds on when I'm riding.
Also, it's legal to walk with really loud music. Mobile phone usage while standing or walking is also legal in most civilized countries, safety nannies be damned.

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People operating multi-ton machinery can be dangerous but kittens, puppies, pedestrians, and cyclists are generally not.
LOL at your black and white view. Good luck with that!
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I had a rodie wanna-be yell at me for the high crime of riding at a walking pace on a MUT.
if you were really riding at a walking pace then why not walk? (walking is healthier than cycling at very low speeds.)
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LOL at your black and white view. Good luck with that!
I road to work this am listening to "Democracy Now" and did not die. I guess I am just lucky or something.

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I road to work this am listening to "Democracy Now" and did not die. I guess I am just lucky or something.

Perhaps that works in your village where you can feel special as 'the guy who bikes' but in highly populated areas with literally thousands of cyclists it's a bit different.

BTW, I saw a woman get plowed down the other day for crossing the bike path without looking. Here they are for transport, not leisure.

EDIT: It's not about you not dying, it's about the inconvenience and danger to others that's caused by idiots cycling with headphones that can't hear when people try to communicate with them or simply hear people coming up behind them and move over. Telling that you thought it was all about you.

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LOL at your black and white view. Good luck with that!

The words "can" and "generally" communicate the exact opposite of black/white views.

Here's what you apparently read: People operating multi-ton machinery are dangerous, but kittens, puppies, pedestrians, and cyclists are never a danger.

See, you actually agree with spare_wheel, but for whatever reason you don't like him stating the proportionality of danger. His view does not preclude your experiences with clueless peds and cyclists.
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Yes, they are rare, but their narcissistic behaviour really stands out.
Couple of weeks ago I had a rodie wanna-be yell at me for the high crime of riding at a walking pace on a MUT. [the only thing you quoted] Mind you this was a weekend on a section of trail smack in the middle of a playground and picnic area. Children playing, elderly folks strolling, people with pets, families toting picnic sypplys. [emphasis mine] Nope, no excuse for slowing down...
if you were really riding at a walking pace then why not walk? (walking is healthier than cycling at very low speeds.)
You probably got berated because you screwed up a King of the MUP segment.

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You probably got berated because you screwed up a King of the MUP segment.

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Too funny.
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Perhaps that works in your village where you can feel special as 'the guy who bikes' but in highly populated areas with literally thousands of cyclists it's a bit different.


Cyclist bridge counts on my commute route:

Portland Hawthorne Bridge
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Cyclist bridge counts on my commute route:

Portland Hawthorne Bridge
Too bad other people don't count. Seems like it's all about you.
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if you were really riding at a walking pace then why not walk? (walking is healthier than cycling at very low speeds.)
Because riding at a walking pace for the 100 feet of play area was the most reasonable and appropriate speed for the conditions. I see no logic in your suggestion.
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if you were really riding at a walking pace then why not walk? (walking is healthier than cycling at very low speeds.)
Maybe he felt like riding at a walking pace? Or dislikes walking? Are those good good enough reasons?

Not everyone is either speed obsessed or always seeking a "health" benefit from every activity.
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I've noticed the same types of behavior from both the wired zombies and the unwired, so I'm beginning to question the whole premise here. Further, I realized that my snap judgments pertaining to a given cyclist are usually based on where he's riding and his movements and not on the wires, which I tend to credit with some significance only after the cyclist has done something to warrant it. Perhaps we are guilty of fastening onto a visible aspect, and reinforcing a pre-existing stereotype when we blame the ear-buds and head phones.
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Old 07-14-14, 02:32 PM   #138
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Too bad other people don't count.

Yeah...like the million or so people "who don't count" who are slaughtered each year by people driving.

I often experience very mild annoyance when I am slowed down for a fraction of a minute by a cyclist wearing headphones on the Hawthorne Bridge. I get over it.
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Wtf do you keep on bleeting on about cars for? It's bizarre.

Slowed down? It's a safety issue when people are so absorbed in their music that they don't even realize other people are around, and are unable to hear their bells or shouts. Why should bikes be any different than cars in this regard?
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Maybe he felt like riding at a walking pace? Or dislikes walking? Are those good good enough reasons?
Not everyone is either speed obsessed or always seeking a "health" benefit from every activity.
So perhaps we can stop telling other people how to cycle, walk, run, skip, roll etc. when they are not endangering someone else. (The comment you quoted was sarcasm.)
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Why should bikes be any different than cars in this regard?
False equivalence.
Car head.
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Car head! Lol! Car bad! Bike good! You sure are full of chuckles, kiddo!

Btw, how does Democracy Now jibe with that cheapo Chinese frame? Too funny.
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Btw, how does Democracy Now jibe with that cheapo Chinese frame? Too funny.
It was manufactured in the ROC -- a democracy with a far better social safety net than latvia (how's the crypto austerity for the little people working for ya, btw?). The entire drive train and shifters were manufactured in Japan. The stem and bars in ROC. The only questionable component is the seat post that was manufactured in the USA -- a failed democracy imo.
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It was manufactured in the ROC -- a democracy with a far better social safety net than latvia (how's the crypto austerity for the little people working for ya, btw?). The entire drive train and shifters were manufactured in Japan. The stem and bars in ROC. The only questionable component is the seat post that was manufactured in the USA -- a failed democracy imo.
Take it to P&R, kiddo!
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The only questionable component is the seat post that was manufactured in the USA -- a failed democracy imo.
The USA thankfully isn't a democracy, its a representative republic.
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The USA thankfully isn't a democracy, its a representative republic.
*sigh*

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I do understand some deny the fact, or twist the definitions to fit their ideologies, but I don't let that nonsense distract me, it is what it is.
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Ugh, I saw someone looking down at their smart, riding the wrong way in the bike lane, on a one way street, where cars love to go 40, the other night. Oh and they didn't have any lights either.
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perhaps we can stop telling other people how to cycle, walk, run, skip, roll etc. when they are not endangering someone else.
Ill-advised unless you want to close down this section of the internet.

Of course, a person doesn't have to be plugged into an ipod to not be able to hear anything else.
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So a news article uses a few anecdotes to make a correlation between headphones and inattentive cycling, asserts, based on a few anecdotes that these cyclists are a menace, and further makes the correlation that this menace would be stopped through licensing. Pure journalistic gold.

Also, note this gem:

"It is not known how many of these cases were caused by people listening to music because the DfT and the police do not record the information."

Yet the causative fallacy is written anyway.
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