seely

All I have to say is my 1990 Mitsubishi Montero is smaller than my Dad's 1996 Buick Roadmaster (both narrower and shorter), does fine with a mere 140hp 3.0l V6 at 160,000mi, will hold 4+ bikes in back with the rear seat folded, gets 21mph highway (w/ 33" tires) and tows our boat nicely as well. It also sees a lot of offroad usage as I'm a member of a 4x4 club, and I spend a few nights during heavy snows in the winter driving up and down the country roads to either recover vehicles that have slid off the road or to offer the motorists what assistance they want. Its a fun truck and its been incredibly reliable. Runs like a top at 160k

JMPetersen

Wow, Hummers really are all show and no function!

https://generalhaberdashery.com/links.../poshummer.wmv

khuon

That video clip was discussed in this previous thread.

Dchiefransom

It happens to all four wheelers in areas like that. That's why they have a winch on the front of the vehicle.

khuon

The IFS on the Hummer H2 is a little more fragile though. Also, the driver took a bad line. A solid-axle would have handled that line fine because it would have tried to keep the entire body "in-plane" but the IFS got snagged. Hitting the accelerator was also a bad choice of action. So, the problem to me seems 80% driver skill (or lack thereof) and 20% vehicle design (or rather lack thereof).

twahl

I agree. I don't think any serious off roader would choose that behemoth as their ride. The Tahoe wasn't built to carry that sort of weight over any significantly rough terrain.

FXjohn

Which was a blatant copy of the International Scout.

khuon

Yep. The IH Scout was a very nice vehicle and capable offroader. I would have picked a Scout over a Bronco anyday. The Scout itself took a page from the design of the Jeep CJ3B (aka "Universal Jeep") although it was bigger and heavier. It used the same transfer case and transmission, had removable doors, roof, fold-down front windshield. However, it had a weaker set of axles than the Jeep.

temp1

I'm sorry the tie rod should have stood up to that stab of the gas pedal, but anything that big should also have a solid front axel, a $14000 Wrangler would eat that POS alive, what a crock, I'll stick with Chrysler and Toyota products for actual use and abuse. If H2 owners really want to go off road it looks like they should cram a used $500 Suzuki Samuri in the back and let it handle the rocks.

FXjohn

Talk about an overpriced piece of crap.
How much is a TOYOTA Landcruiser now, 70k?

temp1

Yeah, and I thought a 32k Wrangler Rubicon was absurd, at least it performs as advertised.

khuon

This assumes a properly sized and designed tie-rod. Independent suspension can be made to work. The Hummer H1 and the SPD-Pinzgauer proved that. However, doing so is expensive and requires much beefier material than what you'll find in the Hummer H2. The H2 was designed from a marketting standpoint first and a functional one last. They're selling image and not capability.

khuon

Well, they had to come out with the TJ Rubicon... as an apology for the KJ (Liberty).

glomarduck

Yo I gave this guy in a excursion a really dirty look.........then I learned he was a fed.

zuke

This thread and ones like it crack me up.

If someone wants to buy an SUV, be that a Suburban, Hummer, Expedition, whatever - big deal. It's called freedom and it's their right. So they never go offroad with it, whoopdeedoo. I've seen a ton of people riding $2k and up bikes that don't *need* to ride such an expensive or exotic bike either.
Oh wait, I've read plenty of posts by people lambasting folks overbuying on bikes too. Funny - it's still their right. Freedom.

Safety? Let's talk about motorcycles before we go too crazy on SUVs. I suppose one could make the argument that in a motorcycle crash, it's almost always only the person on the motorcycle who is affected - therefore they assume the risk themselves. At the same time, I read the other day that 90% of rollovers are single vehicle accidents. Same reasoning should apply.

Isn't the real issue that people drive some of these SUVs like they are cars and not like the truck-like vehicles that they are? Semi-trucks are MUCH more succeptible to rolling over, yet there isn't any outcry against them.

Let's just all take a few steps down off our high horses.

There are just as many discourteous Honda Accord drivers (probably more) as there are Hummer drivers. Let's focus on the real issue - bicycle advocacy and safety education.

glomarduck

It would be cool is suvs were electric but they are not and bikes don't pollute.

SteveE

I think it WOULD be nice if they went out of style because then most of the SUV drivers would be those who needed them rather than people who went out and bought them just because they were trendy. I agree, people can buy what they like but, for those of us who drive your average-size car it sure would be nice to be able to see past the car in front of us. That goes for being on the bike, too. I can easily see over most sedans but I can't see a darn thing when I'm behind an SUV.

seely

Heres my SUV. See if you can find my 33" Superswampers in that pic Oh and my IFS does great, but then again its hard to break anything with 140hp V6, even with 4.62's

glomarduck

33's are for _____s try ____ing 39's on 1980 silverado with a 10" lift and chevy smallblock.

seely

Yah my friend had one... ZZ3 crate engine, 38's, blah blah blah, but he got sick of blowing the 700R4 trannies and having me tow his rig home. Plus it just didn't fit on trails. Its fun in the mud where you need the power but on the trails it just sucked. Plus I get to the trail, wheel all day, and drive home on a 1/4 tank of gas I've had a few cars and trucks, foreign and domestic, wheeled with anything that is made and 4wd, and found foreign is definately the only way to go for strength, size, and reliability. 160,000k mi and it did a nice 5,000k RPM hill climb towing a dead 4runner a few weeks ago, no worse for the wear.

glomarduck

Believe it or not the truck I described is my best friends daily driver his other car is a 1977 stock corvette and he wants to paint the truck pink.

temp1

Chevys are for _____s try a 77 Power Wagon with a 440, and a 727, turning 48s on Rockwell top loaders.

halfbiked

I am shocked and amazed at the number of wheelers posting in this forum. Sweet.



The real problem with SUVs is the sense of invincibility they give uneducated drivers. In the winter around here, particularly at the first snow, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are SUVs. Suckers.

lala

yeah, they're probably republicans.

khuon

Look at it this way... usually the damage is body damage so... more cheap replacement transfer cases and diffs for us when the idiots total their vehicles.