Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 25 of 25
  1. #1
    BikeForums Founder Joe Gardner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    Holladay, Utah.
    My Bikes
    Santa Cruz Superlight w/ Roholoff 500 & Bob IBEX
    Posts
    4,257
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Exposure to Air Pollution Raises Risk of Lung Cancer

    (AP) - Long-term exposure to the air pollution in some of America's biggest metropolitan areas significantly raises the risk of dying from lung cancer and is about as dangerous as living with a smoker, a study of a half-million people found. The study echoes previous research and provides the strongest evidence yet of the health dangers of the pollution levels found in many big cities and even some smaller ones, according to the researchers from Brigham Young University and New York University. More...

    Maybe its time i picked up a respo.

  2. #2
    It's only a hill. Weasel's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Berlin
    Posts
    236
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yeeeaaah. They have just raised the price of fuel again last night, which means that Mr Driver will be paying much more for his tank of fuel than he did yesterday.

    Naturally, there are a lot of p!ssed off people who drive their cars about for one reason or another. Hopefully more increases on already expensive fuel will remove more idiots from the roads who only use their cars for short trips. Some towns and cities are now introducing "efficient driving courses" aimed at reducing the amount of fuel used for driving - many courses are free as well. I wish they would use an ounce of common sense and introduce as many bikes for these people.

    Still, it is a step in the right direction.
    If you want spectacular results, you have to know how to treat your bike badly.

  3. #3
    Carfree since '82. Grrr! JonR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Kansas City, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    1,548
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by Weasel
    Yeeeaaah. They have just raised the price of fuel again last night...
    I think that's what it's going to take to cut down on pollution and (I hope) boost public transportation and alternate methods of transport. So I agree it's a step in the right direction.

    Weasel, your signature "If you want spectacular results, you have to know how to treat your bike badly" intrigues me: there must be more to it than that, because I treat my bikes very badly, yet I get no spectacular results at all!

  4. #4
    It's only a hill. Weasel's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Berlin
    Posts
    236
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Hit 'em where it hurts most Jon - in their pockets. They won't be able to drive with no money. But you can bike for free.

    P.S. I stole the quote from Ferrari. He used it when referring to his racing car! ".....you have to know how to treat your car badly"

    But it applies equally as well to MTB XC racing, only that I should treat my bike worse even - judging by my results

    Personally, I think we should treat every car badly
    Last edited by Weasel; 03-06-02 at 03:31 AM.
    If you want spectacular results, you have to know how to treat your bike badly.

  5. #5
    RAGBRAI. Need I say more? Steele-Bike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    West Branch, Iowa USA
    My Bikes
    1998 Mongoose NX7.1, 2008 Kona Jake, GT singlespeed (year unknown).
    Posts
    868
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I just heard about that study yesterday, too. Ironically, last week Iowa City banned smoking from all resturaunts. The city council said they were compelled to ban smoking for the safety of the workers and patrons.

    So, if this is the case, Iowa City will be banning driving real soon.

  6. #6
    Donating member Richard D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Faversham, Kent, UK
    Posts
    1,852
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by Steele-Bike


    So, if this is the case, Iowa City will be banning driving real soon.


    Richard
    Currently riding an MTB with a split personality - commuting, touring, riding for the sake of riding, on or off road :)

  7. #7
    Donating member Richard D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Faversham, Kent, UK
    Posts
    1,852
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by Joe Gardner
    (AP) - Long-term exposure to the air pollution .....

    Maybe its time i picked up a respo.
    Does anyone here use a mask?

    How comfortable do you find it? How much does it restrict your breathing?

    Richard
    Currently riding an MTB with a split personality - commuting, touring, riding for the sake of riding, on or off road :)

  8. #8
    Carfree since '82. Grrr! JonR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Kansas City, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    1,548
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by Steele-Bike
    The city council said they were compelled to ban smoking for the safety of the workers and patrons.

    So, if this is the case, Iowa City will be banning driving real soon.
    Well, then, Iowa City might just be the quieter more reasonable place I'm longing to move to!

  9. #9
    Sumanitu taka owaci LittleBigMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    8,945
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by Richard D
    Does anyone here use a mask?

    How comfortable do you find it? How much does it restrict your breathing?
    This is more significant than many people realize, in fact, this whole thread is extremely pertinent. I heard exactly the same thing some 20 years ago! It was true then, too!!

    Solutions (masks?) I've seen one guy in a mask while cycling. It may have been extremely smart, but it sure looked like World War III had started. (Maybe World War III HAS started, but it's not being fought with guns, but rather, with political action!) Ozone, a potent lung irritant, can scar lung tissue easily. Symptoms are bronchial irritation, coughing, and shortness of breath. Ozone has NO SMELL and is INVISIBLE.

    My solution is simple: call the State of Georgia Environmental Protection Division (404) 362-4909. During ozone season, when temperatures and weather conditions are favorable for ozone to be produced from car exhaust, the EPD issues air quality forcasts
    based on a standard "air pollution index." When ozone peaks, I am inside, not on my bike! I also learn how to avoid congested areas, or, "smog tunnels." There's more to wind direction than meets the eye!

    Take courage! Even in the big city, it takes a little while for ozone to be formed in the hot sunny weather. Often, a commuting cyclist can avoid dangerous levels by getting home before 6:00 pm. or taking the bus on windless days. In the morning, ozone is usually almost completely gone, having dissipated by about 3:00 am., so the ride TO WORK is usually "a breeze." But ozone is odorless and colorless, so you HAVE TO INQUIRE TO KNOW THE TRUE LEVELS!

    Anywhere in the United States, you should be able to get the pollution forcast for your city from the EPA website. DO IT when summer comes! You may avoid getting "exercise induced asthma"
    (ya, that's a good name for it...how about, "tailpipe crud induced lung destruction." Don't blame it on people who exercise and are trying to get healthy!)
    No worries

  10. #10
    Carfree since '82. Grrr! JonR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Kansas City, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    1,548
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by LittleBigMan
    You may avoid getting "exercise induced asthma"
    (ya, that's a good name for it...how about, "tailpipe crud induced lung destruction." Don't blame it on people who exercise and are trying to get healthy!)
    Amen. Isn't "exercise induced asthma" a subtle effort to put down exercise? "You know, if you'd stop running/cycling/jogging/walking and just stay indoors in front of the TV, or drive around in your car like normal healthy consumers, you folks wouldn't be getting sick!"

    It reminds me of the effort defense attorneys make now and then to blame a woman for being sexually assaulted, because she was dressed attractively.

  11. #11
    Sumanitu taka owaci LittleBigMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    8,945
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by JonR
    "You know, if you'd stop running/cycling/jogging/walking and just stay indoors in front of the TV, or drive around in your car like normal healthy consumers, you folks wouldn't be getting sick!"
    D*mn right! Or, "careful, exercise is bad for your health!"

    Whew! So glad they warned me before I started down THAT deceptive path! Even more than that, I think people mistake
    normality for a standard: if it's normal, it's a good thing. So today, C******e says, "Hey, Pete! Have you lost weight or something?" [concerned tone of voice that implies sickness or impending doom] I am not rude (except privately ) so I didn't say, "No, C******e, you are just way too fat, and so are all your friends. I'm the first healthy person you've seen this week."

    No worries

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    England
    Posts
    12,206
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    When pollution is broadcast with the weather bulletin, it just makes it sound like a natural phenomena. There is bad pollution, rather than people are producing pollution.
    More often it is just an indication of wind speed. The pollution gets produced every day, but some days, it just doesnt get dispersed.

    I found that by taking side roads, tracks and trails around the city, I can avoid the worst concentrations most of the time, but there have been times I have been really nausious on calm summer days.

  13. #13
    suitcase of courage VegasCyclist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    SoCal (ex Las Vegas, NV)
    Posts
    1,010
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I guess it isn't hard to figure out pollution is bad for you, but it takes a study of half a million to figure out that the public needs to know about it (heh)

    LittleBigMan, you have the right idea but the wrong word. Carbonmonoxide (part of the many gasses expelled from automobile exhaust) creats the smog seen over most cities... hmm kidna like Las Vegas

    ozone is by defition - A colorless gas (O3) soluble in alkalis and cold water; a strong oxidizing agent; can be produced by electric discharge in oxygen or by the action of ultraviolet radiation on oxygen in the stratosphere (where it acts as a screen for ultraviolet radiation)

    it is a highly unstable form of oxygen which is being destroyed by greenhouse gasses and such. anyhow it's not what is bad.

    well that's it for the chemistry lesson for today hehe
    Last edited by VegasCyclist; 03-06-02 at 09:15 PM.
    -VegasCyclist
    "Daddy made whiskey and he made it well.... cost two dollars and it burned like hell...."
    Register!

  14. #14
    Devilmaycare Cycling Fool Allister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Wynnum, Australia
    My Bikes
    1998 Cannondale F700
    Posts
    3,819
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by VegasCyclist
    I guess it isn't hard to figure out pollution is bad for you, but it takes a study of half a million to figure out that the public needs to know about it (heh)
    That's pretty much what I thought. They had to study this? I guess the study did correlate it with the big C, as if this was the only health problem associated with pollution, and as if cancer were the only health issue we need to worry about. Sounds like another study from ISBO*, possibly with funding from PWTSOE**.

    I really wonder what the purpose of this study was. Do people seriously think that major polluters are only going to do anything to change their ways if there's a so-called scietific study to back it up? Surely all anyone has to do, if they are uncertain of the effects of pollution, is to stick their face in front of the exhaust pipe of an idling vehicle for half an hour. If we need any more proof than that, then I despair for the state of society.



    *Insitute for the Study of the Bleeding Obvious.
    ** People Who Trust Science Over Experience.
    Last edited by Allister; 03-06-02 at 09:01 PM.
    If we learn from our mistakes, I must be a goddamn genius.

  15. #15
    Carfree since '82. Grrr! JonR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Kansas City, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    1,548
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Allister, I already despair for the state of society and have for ages... I agree, what's the use of such a study? Sometimes I think they do them (1) because they have grant money they don't know what to do with; (2) in order to scare the public more than it's already scared.

    There's plenty of the latter--gratuitous scaring of the public--carried out by media: for example, today there's a story about "dirty bombs" as a terrorist tool. Now what's the point of going on about that, something that nobody can do anything about, unless it's just to upset readers more than they're already upset by the thousand horrifying things in the news?

  16. #16
    It's only a hill. Weasel's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Berlin
    Posts
    236
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think they are just beginning to learn from the last mistake. The mistake which goes:

    "I'm sueing everyone and his dog for $700, 000,000,000 because no one ever really told me that 80 cigarettes a day was going to f**k my life up! Now look at me, I have no lungs, legs or fingers and its all your fault - not mine!

    I reckon this will happen en masse but with the resulting damage caused by car exhaust fumes. Perhaps they are starting now in order to cover their arses early. "But we warned you years ago, that by running and cycling or generally leading a healthy lifestyle - YOU were at fault and were going to catch 'exercise induced asthma' - so there!".

    Be warned.

    :confused:
    If you want spectacular results, you have to know how to treat your bike badly.

  17. #17
    Carfree since '82. Grrr! JonR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Kansas City, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    1,548
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Weasel, you got it nailed down!

  18. #18
    Devilmaycare Cycling Fool Allister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Wynnum, Australia
    My Bikes
    1998 Cannondale F700
    Posts
    3,819
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by JonR
    (2) in order to scare the public more than it's already scared.

    There's plenty of the latter--gratuitous scaring of the public--carried out by media:
    True true. But what possible purpose could this serve?

    <fires up the portion of the brain used to figure out society - the cynical cortex> It couldn't be that the media are just playthings of the government, and all the scaremongering is just a ruse to try and get us to put all our faith in the government, could it? The message is 'hey things are bad, but we the government will protect you.' when they have no real intention of actually doing that, they just want us to believe it.

    God forbid that the Truth should get out: that 'hey things are bad, but you the people have everything you need to deal with it.' or maybe even the Absolute Truth: that 'hey, things may look bad, but in Truth, there is no good and bad, just stuff that happens. The ultimate reality is that everything is perfect and full of light and love and we only need to open our eyes to see it.' Now there's a headline I'd like to see.

    In the meantime, after we've burned all the lawers and fed the advertising execs. to a pack of rabid hounds, we can put all those so-called 'journalists' on a leaky boat and send it into Indonesian waters.<cynical cotex -off>
    If we learn from our mistakes, I must be a goddamn genius.

  19. #19
    Carfree since '82. Grrr! JonR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Kansas City, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    1,548
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I love it!

  20. #20
    feros ferio John E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
    My Bikes
    1959 Capo; 1980 Peugeot PKN-10; 1981 Bianchi; 1988 Schwinn KOM-10;
    Posts
    14,683
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by VegasCyclist

    LittleBigMan, you have the right idea but the wrong word. Carbonmonoxide (part of the many gasses expelled from automobile exhaust) creats the smog seen over most cities... hmm kidna like Las Vegas

    ozone is by defition - A colorless gas (O3) soluble in alkalis and cold water; a strong oxidizing agent; can be produced by electric discharge in oxygen or by the action of ultraviolet radiation on oxygen in the stratosphere (where it acts as a screen for ultraviolet radiation)

    it is a highly unstable form of oxygen which is being destroyed by greenhouse gasses and such. anyhow it's not what is bad.
    I disagree. Carbon monoxide is odorless and colourless. It does not cause visible haze or eye- and lung-burning irritation, but it does endanger health by binding to hemoglobin in the bloodstream. (In the atmosphere, it does eventually oxidize to one of the greenhouse gases, CO2.)

    Oxides of nitrogen and partially-burned hydrocarbons contribute to photochemical smog, of which ozone (O3), sulfur dioxide (SO2), and nitrogen dioxide (NO2, the pungent brown stuff) are primary ingredients. Yes, O3 is unstable and highly reactive -- it also does alot of damage to living tissue as it gives up that extra oxygen atom. The other extremely significant air pollution component is particulate matter, which includes diesel soot as well as some of the sulfurous and nitrogenous end products of the photochemical reaction sequence. Acidic or oxidizing particulates are inhaled deep into the lungs, where they can be trapped to exert their damage. Sulfates and nitrates dissolve in water to create sulfuric and nitric acid, respectively. Nasty stuff!

    Now the good news -- being physically fit and eating a diet rich in antioxidants will help protect one against the deleterious effects of photochemical smog.



    John A. Eldon, D.Env.; "Statistical Oxidant-Precursor Relationships for the Los Angeles Region"; doctoral thesis, Environmental Science and Engineering program; UCLA; 1978; A temporal and spatial study of the relative effectiveness of hydrocarbon and oxides of nitrogen emission control strategies in NO2 and O3 control.
    Last edited by John E; 03-07-02 at 09:02 AM.
    "Early to bed, early to rise. Work like hell, and advertise." -- George Stahlman
    Capo [dschaw'-poe]: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger, S/N 42624
    Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
    Bianchi: 1981 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
    Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069

  21. #21
    Poky Oxymoron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Pocahontas, Iowa
    My Bikes
    1999/2000 Rans Rocket - red, of course, and a forest green 2001 Specialized Expedition w/ 2" slicks, fenders and Jaand baskets
    Posts
    166
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Hi there,
    I have been watching you all since last fall. You amused me (and provided me with good consumer info in the searches) so I decided to join. I have had a lot to say, just not the time to say it, so this is the first you have heard of me.
    I also read that article about pollution in the cities. In the same week I also saw an article about how children who are active in outdoor sports are more likely to develope asthma, and another article about how 50% of men eventually get cancer. I always thought that biking would increase my long term health, but maybe not. I have respiratory problems already and come from a family with a history of cancer. I live in a city that, while not large, has bad coal pollution. Furthermore, I have found myself in a situation more than once where the car passing me put out so much exhaust my lungs actually locked up and I couldn't breath for a couple seconds. No one can tell me that 30 minutes of that every day isn't going to kill me. And mmmm, nothing like the taste of carbon monoxide still in your mouth ten minutes after you get off your bike. My only hope is that before I die a long, horrible death from asthma, emphazima and cancer, that I am instantly anihalated (hopefully painlessly) by a SUV. By the way, where's the spellcheck on this thing?

  22. #22
    Devilmaycare Cycling Fool Allister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Wynnum, Australia
    My Bikes
    1998 Cannondale F700
    Posts
    3,819
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by John E
    being physically fit and eating a diet rich in antioxidants will help protect one against the deleterious effects of photochemical smog.
    Ride lots, and drink red wine. Does it get any better?
    If we learn from our mistakes, I must be a goddamn genius.

  23. #23
    Carfree since '82. Grrr! JonR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Kansas City, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    1,548
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by Oxymoron
    By the way, where's the spellcheck on this thing?
    The spellcheck became unavailable several months ago--I think they started charging for the service that was used--so we're on our own. I say, don't wurry abot speling. As long as the mening comes thru, thats whta counts.

  24. #24
    Sumanitu taka owaci LittleBigMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    8,945
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by VegasCyclist
    LittleBigMan, you have the right idea but the wrong word. Carbonmonoxide (part of the many gasses expelled from automobile exhaust) creats the smog seen over most cities... hmm kidna like Las Vegas

    ozone is by defition - A colorless gas (O3) soluble in alkalis and cold water; a strong oxidizing agent; can be produced by electric discharge in oxygen or by the action of ultraviolet radiation on oxygen in the stratosphere (where it acts as a screen for ultraviolet radiation)

    it is a highly unstable form of oxygen which is being destroyed by greenhouse gasses and such. anyhow it's not what is bad.
    VegasCyclist,

    I appreciate you because of your concern about air pollution.

    But ground-level ozone is not the same as upper-level atmospheric ozone, which is a good and natural thing, protecting us from UV radiation.

    Ground-level ozone unnatural and toxic.



    (P.S. Mr. John Eldon has stolen my fire... )
    Last edited by LittleBigMan; 03-07-02 at 08:48 PM.
    No worries

  25. #25
    suitcase of courage VegasCyclist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    SoCal (ex Las Vegas, NV)
    Posts
    1,010
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    guess I should have looked first, I found a epa site on the net which shows that you're right. but it is the carbonmonoxide which creates the unnatural ozone... which they termed smog so I guess we're both right
    -VegasCyclist
    "Daddy made whiskey and he made it well.... cost two dollars and it burned like hell...."
    Register!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •