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    So Pissed He Threw Punches!

    Out enjoying my ride today in the country. It’s straight and level, but coming up is a little down hill and left turn near the bottom. I spy a truck waaay back and I figure I've got time to make the left before he gets on me, so I stick my arm out and move to the left.

    I’m out there for maybe 10 seconds and he closes on me pretty fast and keeps inching to within 6 feet (speed limit is 45). We're going about 25 or so and the turn is about 30 yards away. It's off camber, kind of turns back instead of a true 90 and sometimes has gravel, so I have to brake to safely make it. Figuring that move would result in an F350 suppository, I moved into the oncoming lane and he buzzes me while screaming into his window. This all transpires in like a 10-second window.

    Well, as he passes me I motion that I want him to come back (My usual would be to signal that he's #1, but, heh, I'm trying to turn a new leaf!). I slow into the intersection and paused. He’s pulling a trailer with a few round rolls of hay and stopped about 100 yards past me.

    So, I mosey over while this 50 year-old farmer bolts out of his cab and starts toward me in a huff. As I approach, I say, "Hey, no need to get all riled up. I just want to talk."

    He's beside this trailer and I'm maybe 10 feet up the road from him.

    Him: Mumbles something unintelligible
    Me: “Sir, I was just trying to make a left turn.”
    Him: “You seen me comin’. You shoudda pulled off the road!”
    Me: “Sir, neither of us own this road. We share this road. You could have just slowed down just a little.”

    Now here’s the bizarre part. He mumbled something unintelligible and threw a temper tantrum! He turned and proceeded to pummel his hay bales in three series or hard lefts and rights. He then stormed back to his cab while mumbling more unintelligible “words”. As he steped in he yelled, “Dumb ass cyclist shouldn’t be on the road!”, slamed the door and drove off.

    I’ve thought about it quite a bit. I’m pretty sure that not only did he not lift, when he saw me move left and signal he actually accelerated in order to bully me. There just was no reason he had to be moving that fast or accelerating.

    Too bad he stormed off. I would have explained to him that I try to be courteous and if I thought we would have reached that intersection near the same time, I would have slowed to let him make a safe pass. And that I either made an error in my estimation or he failed to properly yield, or both.

    Further I would have told him that I did nothing illegal, but he probably broke a couple laws, AND he could have killed me.

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    It just gets old... doesn't it.

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    Hate to put it this way, but here it is: get his plates, turn him in.

    No, nothing would really happen to him. This time. But if he pulls a similar stunt again and does hit a cyclist, he'll have a record of behaving that way.

    Which is why I turned in one of my neighbors who got out of his car to yell at me. I don't need a crazy moron zooming around at dusk with no lights on down streets where kids play, much less one aggressive enough to get out of a vehicle to threaten someone.

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    The mistake was trying to be reasonable. Don't call him over to talk: he's already threatened you with his multi-ton vehicle, and now it's time to kick some ass. If all we ever do is react calmly to people who do things that endanger us, how are they going to learn their lesson. Didn't people have better manners back when they thought not doing so might get them popped in the mouth?
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    Consider yourself lucky that he vented his temper on the hay bales.

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    Wow... you all missed it.

    OP wasn't ever in danger (except, of course, by the front end of the truck at first); the driver was spoiling for a fight, wanted the OP to throw the first punch so he could be sure and have him arrested for assault. When OP said he just wanted to talk, and DID SO reasonably, it took all the fun out of it for the dumb@$$ driver!

    Perfect! I don't think I could have done it -- I'd have fought the fool....

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    don't try to talk to car drivers and never signal to have them come back to have a discussion with you. just move on and keep going. he could just as easily have pulled out a revolver and shot you dead. and you being condescending is just asking for a punch in the head. if that guy didn't already have a record or wasn't working, it all would have gone down a lot differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    Wow... you all missed it.

    OP wasn't ever in danger (except, of course, by the front end of the truck at first); the driver was spoiling for a fight, wanted the OP to throw the first punch so he could be sure and have him arrested for assault. When OP said he just wanted to talk, and DID SO reasonably, it took all the fun out of it for the dumb@$$ driver!

    Perfect! I don't think I could have done it -- I'd have fought the fool....
    So now Farmer Bob is going to make sure he gets a piece of the next cyclist who annoys him.

    And if it's dark and that cyclist happens to be an 11-year-old kid?

    Wonderful.

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    Be glad that it was the bales of hay that he decided to punch. Maybe he had a moment of clarity and realized that he was wrong for what he did and in that frustration he decided to punch his bales of hay.
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    Agree abut the driver realizing he "messed" up. Last year was riding with 3 other coworkers. Was confronted by a carload of idiots while taking a break in a parking lot. They were OK until one decided to get out of the and get in the face. When the second one in the car started to get out of the car with one foot on the ground; the "fit fatty" of th group(about 240 lb) was off the bike and applied enough pressure on the car door to prevent the guy from being able to get out of the car and had the door pinned against his shin.

    fortunately they realised they were in a no win situation and when the first person got back in the car they were able to drive off. When we later saw a LEO we stopped and gave a description of the car and passengers (if anything it got a report on file in case they wanted to caim something at a later date)

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    Just another point with angry people is don't tell them not to get "riled up" ,"p*ssed off", etc, as angry people don't like being told what to do. Better to say "I can see you angry" instead. Keep a lot of space between you and the angry person, use good eye contact, a moderate tone and open body language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahhobbes View Post
    Just another point with angry people is don't tell them not to get "riled up" ,"p*ssed off", etc, as angry people don't like being told what to do. Better to say "I can see you angry" instead. Keep a lot of space between you and the angry person, use good eye contact, a moderate tone and open body language.
    Better yet just ignore them. Don't respond ro say anything to them.

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    Sounds like Farmer John really needs to switch to Decaf.
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    I’m pretty sure that not only did he not lift, when he saw me move left and signal he actually accelerated in order to bully me.
    I get that shyt all the time.
    The jackoff is 500 yards back as I take the lane to make my left, and all of a sudden, he's on my ass.

    You can sometimes even hear them speeding up.

    And why is it always, ALWAYS... A TRUCK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
    Be glad that it was the bales of hay that he decided to punch. Maybe he had a moment of clarity and realized that he was wrong for what he did and in that frustration he decided to punch his bales of hay.
    And maybe if I strain really hard, I can squeeze out diamonds (afterall food is carbon based).
    But more likely, I'll just get hemorrhoids.

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    pick up trucks; jeeps and mustangs
    cycling is like baseball ~ it doesn't take much to make it interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikepacker67 View Post

    And why is it always, ALWAYS... A TRUCK?
    Usually because the truck image attracts the "tough" guys. Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikepacker67 View Post
    And why is it always, ALWAYS... A TRUCK?
    Because it's hard to pull a trailer of hay with a Mini-Cooper?
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    I think you should have challenged him to a ****** duel at dawn.

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    Judging from when he caught up to you and how far you had to go to the turn, I think you might have been better off waiting for him to pass before moving to the left to turn (presuming no vehicles were behind him; you didn't mention any). I'm well aware that you had the right to do what you did, but sometimes waiting when you don't need to can prevent unnecessary hassle with drivers such as this.

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    what hassle?

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    Really enjoyed all the comments.

    Can’t get plates on a truck pulling a trailer. Trailers don’t require plates in TN.

    I was never really afraid and I kind of thought the post-traffic incident somewhat comical. Up until the time he bludgeoned the hay, it seemed as if the tension between us was diffusing. I think he got mad at himself in the end.

    Could argue with a few of you, but no one could prove right or wrong as humans are somewhat unpredictable. You could be right. It’s hard to argue that you can reason with someone that is upset.

    But what is really evident that each of us see the world through lenses that are shaped by our local conditions.

    There were no other vehicles and may not have been for another 5 minutes. There is a real possibility that he had never come upon a bicycle in the road. People in this area are fairly courteous.

    Some of you would freak, but I’d estimate that there was a 90% probability that he had a ***** and maybe a ******* in his truck. This is the South. People in this area generally don’t kill people they don’t know unless they are breaking into the house. They don’t hit them unless they have offended them.

    We’re in the Bible belt. He is a farmer. He will more than likely be in church on Sunday.

    I was courteous. I was respectful.

    My bet is that he now realizes that there was a person on that bike and that no good came from creating an unsafe situation or being an ass. I would bet he lifts next time and I doubt it actually made things worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam83 View Post
    Out enjoying my ride today in the country. It’s straight and level, but coming up is a little down hill and left turn near the bottom. I spy a truck waaay back and I figure I've got time to make the left before he gets on me, so I stick my arm out and move to the left.

    I’m out there for maybe 10 seconds and he closes on me pretty fast and keeps inching to within 6 feet (speed limit is 45). We're going about 25 or so and the turn is about 30 yards away. It's off camber, kind of turns back instead of a true 90 and sometimes has gravel, so I have to brake to safely make it. Figuring that move would result in an F350 suppository, I moved into the oncoming lane and he buzzes me while screaming into his window. This all transpires in like a 10-second window.

    Well, as he passes me I motion that I want him to come back (My usual would be to signal that he's #1, but, heh, I'm trying to turn a new leaf!). I slow into the intersection and paused. He’s pulling a trailer with a few round rolls of hay and stopped about 100 yards past me.

    So, I mosey over while this 50 year-old farmer bolts out of his cab and starts toward me in a huff. As I approach, I say, "Hey, no need to get all riled up. I just want to talk."

    He's beside this trailer and I'm maybe 10 feet up the road from him.

    Him: Mumbles something unintelligible
    Me: “Sir, I was just trying to make a left turn.”
    Him: “You seen me comin’. You shoudda pulled off the road!”
    Me: “Sir, neither of us own this road. We share this road. You could have just slowed down just a little.”

    Now here’s the bizarre part. He mumbled something unintelligible and threw a temper tantrum! He turned and proceeded to pummel his hay bales in three series or hard lefts and rights. He then stormed back to his cab while mumbling more unintelligible “words”. As he steped in he yelled, “Dumb ass cyclist shouldn’t be on the road!”, slamed the door and drove off.

    I’ve thought about it quite a bit. I’m pretty sure that not only did he not lift, when he saw me move left and signal he actually accelerated in order to bully me. There just was no reason he had to be moving that fast or accelerating.

    Too bad he stormed off. I would have explained to him that I try to be courteous and if I thought we would have reached that intersection near the same time, I would have slowed to let him make a safe pass. And that I either made an error in my estimation or he failed to properly yield, or both.

    Further I would have told him that I did nothing illegal, but he probably broke a couple laws, AND he could have killed me.
    Doing that with an 18-wheeler is risky but, like you pointed out, he was trying to bully you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam83 View Post

    Now here’s the bizarre part. He mumbled something unintelligible and threw a temper tantrum! He turned and proceeded to pummel his hay bales in three series or hard lefts and rights. He then stormed back to his cab while mumbling more unintelligible “words”. As he steped in he yelled, “Dumb ass cyclist shouldn’t be on the road!”, slamed the door and drove off.
    Sounds like what animals do when they're looking to be dominant but aren't willing to fight for it. I think you're supposed to chase him. That's what I saw the squirrels doing over a potential mate yesterday...

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