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Old 03-08-02, 02:30 PM   #1
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Getting rear-ended

I was thinking about some comments I read somewhere here about taking the center of the lane at stoplights. I have always done this to give myself more left to right space to use as I start up and inevitably swerve a little. However, a year or so ago I was rear-ended while driving my car. There was no damage, but he bumped me forward pretty good. He said he just didn't see me. I know my car is small, but not that small. It was ironic because I try not to drive often, and if I had been on my bike I probably would have been thrown back onto his hood--no doubt leading to some serious back pain, or worse at a higher speed. So then I tried to keep right when stopped on my bike, but everyone crowded me. Now I stay in the middle, slightly ahead of the stop line to give them that extra couple of feet in an emergency, and obsessively watch when cars come up on me. This works good for them because if I see them wanting to turn right on red I give them the room to do so. Has anyone ever heard of someone actually getting rear-ended and hurt at a stop light/sign? How about when waiting to turn left without the benefit of a stop sign?
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I've never heard of anyone getting rear ended on a bike at a light, but I'm sure it has happened somewhere! Sounds like a good idea about stopping a few feet ahead.

I sometimes stop on the right side, so I can put my right foot on the curb, but I've noticed it sometimes confuses motorists behind me when they're trying to turn right, and who wants a confused motorist! It's probably better to do it the way you do.
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A colleague had that very thing happen to him a year or so ago. He was stopped at an intersection waiting to turn right and some dimwitted driver plowed into his from behind. It trashed his nice new Giant road bike, but fortunately beyond some road rash he wasn't hurt too badly.

The woman's excuse: first, that she didn't see him, second, that he shouldn't have been there in the first place. Same ol' same ol'. I reckon he was a fool for not squeezing every penny he could out of her though. In fact he did nothing. This woman now probably thinks that her reasons were valid and certainly won't be looking out for cyclists.
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The woman's excuse: first, that she didn't see him, second, that he shouldn't have been there in the first place. Same ol' same ol'. I reckon he was a fool for not squeezing every penny he could out of her though. In fact he did nothing. This woman now probably thinks that her reasons were valid and certainly won't be looking out for cyclists.
This is why one needs to press charges. Letting this sort of activity go unpunished hurts all of us. Motorists have to be told that bikes belong, and all road users have to be held accountable for their actions.
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Not sure about where you guys live, but the laws in Nevada state that a cyclist ALWAYS has the right of way, no matter where he/she is on the road.

Another little fact, it is legal to turn right on red here, in fact lots of people treat it as a yeild sign(not smart but it happens) so being far right waiting at a light could be dangerous since some drivers don't even really stop!
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I think a right turn in Aussie is the same as a left turn over here, across traffic. Now that is one thing that does scare the sh*t out of me, is waiting in the middle of the road to turn left. If it's that busy, I'll usually just make a right turn and come back through the intersection with the light or when there's a break in traffic, if it's stop sign.
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For the sake of clarity, it would help if every poster had at least the country they ride in, as part of their personal data (left-hand column), or, failing that, that any post referring to "left" or "right" turns specified "across traffic" or not. Just a suggestion....

I agree with John E. that the woman who rear-ended the Giant bike rider should have been dealt with in court. It hurts cyclists a lot to let motorists get away with actions like that.

"I didn't see you" has got to be the lamest excuse on earth. Just think of all the things you could "not see" while driving: pedestrians, cyclists, children running out into the street to retrieve a ball, and on and on.

If you're not going to SEE, you should not get behind a steering wheel.
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Sorry if I confused anyone. In my part of the world we drive on the right. Of course someone forgot to tell all the poeple who pass me on the double line, driving their car fully on the wrong side of the road in a game of chicken which brings oncoming traffic to a screeching halt. This has happened more than once to the horror of me and the people coming at us. Apparently some people are so important that they feel justified at not only passing a cyclist easily going the speed limit, but will bring a line of twenty cars to a full stop, forcing them to side of the road in the process. Others with less nerve wimp out at their little game and whip back into my lane. But I digress.
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I'm surprised that they have such pro-bike laws in Nevada! I was talking once to a guy who told me that when in nevada he got strange looks from people when he was out cycling and he hardly saw any other cyclists. Everyone rides cars- and yet the weather is so nice. But that seems to be the case in the U.S.= the nicer the weather, the more cars there are! However,I imagine nevada is great for MTB and off-road.


So what's it like in Nunavut these days? It's probably still too cold to cycle, I imagine.
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OK,
I don't really live in Gjoa Haven. It's 200 miles north of Hudson Bay in the Arctic Circle. My apologies to Inupiaq and Alaaq.
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yes nevada does have some excellent trails for MTB, and it is true that when I ride around other cyclists are pretty few. However we are organized, the Las Vegas Bike club has 400 some members and has rides everyday and events on the weekends. And yes the laws are in our favor, but whether the people obey them is a different story :confused:

In fact just 3 months ago or so a cyclist was killed, not sure how it happened but he/she was near the middle of the road and apparently got hit
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This is why motorist education and accountability is so important.

Anyone getting rear-ended is something that should never happen.

Cyclists and motorists should be able to use the roads without
fear of negligent behavior.

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REAR ended?!? I've managed to get side-swiped track-standing by a pedistrian. Then again, that was back at university, so...<g>

I almost lost control when some dilroy almost pegged my four year old when crossing the road (a young testostrone-junky in a car HAD stopped) and he even had the gall to complain about her.

In Switzerland, it's the LAW that pedistrians have the right of way when crossing...and the bozon was about 55-60 yrs old.

Hrmmph.

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"I didn't see you" has got to be the lamest excuse on earth.
Whenever anyone says this to me I always say "No, you didn't look for me"
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Yes I have heard that one before. "I didn't see you" more like you didn't (insert very rude word) look.
That's what the guy said to me after I slammed into the side of his car at a round-about, last year.
He then said the sun was in his eyes. At 8.30am that would be highly unlikely on a flat intersection.
I felt like saying to him : If you couldn't see clearly due to the sun, why did you drive straight through the intersection?

The day I got back on my bike after the crash a lady drove through the exact same intersection, just like the guy I hit.
If I hadn't been riding very cautiously (due to my accident) I would have slammed into her also.
I just yelled into her drivers window: Yes, it is an intersection and YOU do have to give way.

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Yesterday I realized that my main fear about getting rear-ended on my bike is that there will be a car in front of me. Sqoosh. That happened on the interstate recently where a guy in a pickup was crushed to nothing between two semi trucks. The driver in the back "didn't see them" slow down. Driving on the interstate is like being a biker. You are putting your life in the hands of untrustworthy others in a situation where there is little between you and them and you and the road. The funny thing is I'm less scared on my bike becase there is at least a chance I could bail out or only get minorly hurt. I f I wreck my little car at 70mph I'm dead. Some people think it is irreponsible to bike with a child in a trailer on city streets--but these same people hurl down the highway at 80mph with their children in the back seat without a second thought.

Watch those roundabouts. I've heard of people getting pretty mangled by cars while biking around them. They want to put some in my town. The reason: one of the intersections in question has stop signs, and they want to slow cars down without having to make them stop. I feel a stop sign, though, at least gives me a fighting chance at being seen. Moving cars are notoriously bad at picking out small slow moving objects like bikes, and elementary school kids.
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and they want to slow cars down without having to make them stop
Round-abouts are crap I hate them, they are VERY dangerous to cyclists.
I have a two lane round-about at the top of my street and it has 5 roads meeting at one little circle. I have seen cars plough straight through at 60kph/40mph, if drivers can't give way to other cars what hope is there for cyclists. If the round-about has good visibility to the right, most cars will not slow at all. The they take a quick glance to look for other cars and proceed like there is no intersection at all.

My home state is covered with these things, there are 9 in my suburb, in the space of 2miles.

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I guess I can say I've been rear ended but it was the strangest thing. I was at a red light and I felt a gentle tap behind me. I looked behind me and there was this mini-van. The lady had gotten so close to me that her front bumper was touching my rear wheel. I was sort of bewildered by it but the light turned green and I never really thought anything of it.
One of my biggest concerns is getting rear ended when the light turns yellow. Too many idiots in this city floor it when the light turns yellow to be in the middle of the intersection on red.
I don't mind traffic "round abouts". I don't know any drivers in this city who likes them so I think order is maintained within them by a, deeply intrenched, collective fear of them. There was a time when I burned out on an oil slick in one but that's another story.
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One of my biggest concerns is getting rear ended when the light turns yellow. Too many idiots in this city floor it when the light turns yellow to be in the middle of the intersection on red.
After a near miss in this situation I now floor it on yellow where I know that I'll get across the intersection before the cross-traffic moves. I don't shoot lights on red, but I feel shooting them on yellow is safer for me.


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I don't mind traffic "round abouts". I don't know any drivers in this city who likes them so I think order is maintained within them by a, deeply intrenched, collective fear of them. There was a time when I burned out on an oil slick in one but that's another story.
I hated rounabouts when I started cycling (the dual-carriageway ring-road tround Canterbury has lots of them) but I've got quite used to them now and just signal my intentions very early and take the centre of either the inside lane (if I'm going further round than straight-across), signalling I'm pulling across to the outer as soon as I come up to the exit before the one I want, or taking the centre of the outer lane if I'm going straight-across or taking the first turning - make yourself as 'big' and noticeable as possible.

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According to UK cycle and traffic rules, Richard D has it right!
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