How safe is high-visibility clothing?
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Only time I've been hit by a car was when they hit me head on. This was shining straight at them and they still "didn't see me"
I suppose as a precaution high vis and lights help, but you can never account for people who simply can't drive.
I suppose as a precaution high vis and lights help, but you can never account for people who simply can't drive.
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Around here in the northeast US, most roads have no shoulder and you're riding where cars routinely travel. If you were invisible, you'd get hit by the first or second car that happened by. The only reason you don't get is they see you and slow or move over so as not to hit you. Being seen is absolutely essential to surviving more than a few minutes on the road. Of course you can't be invisible and no matter what you wear, they will likely see you. It's just the more conspicuous your outfit, the more likely it is they will see you, and the further away the will see you giving them time to respond appropriately.
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Just as curiosity, how many of you (us) believe that 90% of the drivers that claim to have not seen a cyclist are just out and out lying, as if claiming you did not see them give a free pass to running them over? Or perhaps its a self delusion to to protect the driver from internally accepting they just killed or almost killed someone? Or if not 90%, what percentage of "did not see them" are just flat out lies?
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Just as curiosity, how many of you (us) believe that 90% of the drivers that claim to have not seen a cyclist are just out and out lying, as if claiming you did not see them give a free pass to running them over? Or perhaps its a self delusion to to protect the driver from internally accepting they just killed or almost killed someone? Or if not 90%, what percentage of "did not see them" are just flat out lies?
We're not all perfect, but I've said it before. I don't think most accidents are accidental and with attentive driving they could be prevented.
As most typical Americans live 50km apart from everything and drive 20% over the limit on straightline high speed roads, after a couple of miles this kind of throws attentiveness out the window though as your brain sets into auto-pilot.
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Maybe the driver thought you were a raccoon with a dive light.
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I recently won a case against a driver for running me over on my motorcycle, while I was stopped at a stop sign. My motorcycle was large and white, with the headlight on, and I was wearing bright yellow gear. It didn't go all the way to court, just to an arbitrator, but when the other guy said he didn't see me, the look on the arbitrator's face was pretty amusing.
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From my personal experience I find that it does help a little to wear a hi viz jacket in winter morning/evening commuting conditions which often involve rain and low light/fog.
Hardly a scientific test, but drivers seem to acknowledge me/react a little more quickly than when I wear a black jacket (running the same lights in either scenario).
No passive or active visibility measures are a substitute for good judgement though. I try to make myself visible but ride as if I am not.
Hardly a scientific test, but drivers seem to acknowledge me/react a little more quickly than when I wear a black jacket (running the same lights in either scenario).
No passive or active visibility measures are a substitute for good judgement though. I try to make myself visible but ride as if I am not.
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ah ****, that's why those toothless guys in the beatup dodge Ram and wearing only overalls were trying to shovel me off the road into their pickup bed. Giggling to themselves and muttering about supper.
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And these gloves: https://www.amazon.com/Pearl-Izumi-Th...cycling+gloves
to hopefully help with being more visible. Red(flashing light) on yellow(hi-vis jacket), should amp up the visibility.
That is in addition to the red light I put on my back, that set to flash mode.
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The photo shows a case where being distinguishable doesn't matter. That is, the person isn't less safe in this case.
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From my experience driving, the flashers help with visibility. I'm less sure of the turn signal flashers. (They're in the short video in that article I posted earlier: https://www.recreati.com/2013/01/25/toward-a-safer-bike/) It's a cool DIY project, but would turn signals add to my safety? Really? I think if a motorist sees me, and I'm being cautious, the turn signal won't contribute that much.
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the point isn't that some "hi-viz" works better than others in certain situations - the point is that ANY "hi-viz" can be rendered "invisible" under real-world circumstances. in many cases, the best hi-viz is "normal" clothes. hi-viz doesn't "make drivers see you".
riding into a beautiful sunset, orange hi-viz would render you "invisible" to observers from behind. safety-yellow can easily be camouflage when grass or trees are on the other side of you.
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Perhaps the goal of wearing any kind of hi-viz clothing is not to increase visibility in all conceivable circumstances, but to make the odds the best they can be in most circumstances?
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Well said.
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don't mis-read that as an attack against hi-viz, which i do think tends to effectively increase conspicuity under many real-world situations; read it as an argument against mandatory hi-viz, on the basis that it would force people to wear it when conditions are contra-indicative.
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No I read that as a "I need to be right , no matter how infrequently the case where I am correct arises." But I too, am not in any way in favor of most any mandatory cycling safety/non-safety gear. In my opinion, it is the responsibility of all cyclists to determine the number and type of personal safety devises/gear they utilize based on their own evaluation of the risk and conditions. Some kind of light and reflector after dark excepted, I think those ought to be mandatory.
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But I too, am not in any way in favor of most any mandatory cycling safety/non-safety gear. In my opinion, it is the responsibility of all cyclists to determine the number and type of personal safety devises/gear they utilize based on their own evaluation of the risk and conditions. Some kind of light and reflector after dark excepted, I think those ought to be mandatory.
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Just as curiosity, how many of you (us) believe that 90% of the drivers that claim to have not seen a cyclist are just out and out lying, as if claiming you did not see them give a free pass to running them over? Or perhaps its a self delusion to to protect the driver from internally accepting they just killed or almost killed someone? Or if not 90%, what percentage of "did not see them" are just flat out lies?
I'm sure that you are also right howsteepisit, in that most drivers who hit a cyclist would do anything to avoid accepting their culpability for negligent driving (both for internal psychological reasons as well as legal ones). There is probably a whole raft of circumstances between "actually did not see" and "did see, but just decided to mow you down anyway" that constitute the bulk of the cases. For instance, I'm sure some people have trained themselves out of swerving into the adjacent lane to the extent that they can't actually do it when it's necessary to avoid a cyclist. Stuff like that.
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Well, a reflective vest won't help you float if you fall off a pier, it's not a "flotation vest" .
Also, reflective vest is not fire-******ant. And it's not a "Bulletproof" vest either, so try to avoid getting shot at.
I say this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it's the truth.
Also, reflective vest is not fire-******ant. And it's not a "Bulletproof" vest either, so try to avoid getting shot at.
I say this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it's the truth.
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