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    Uneccessary Bike Lanes

    It looks like the city might be installing a bike lane on a route I use daily. If they do though, I'm probably going to protest it. First of all, it's looks like they're going to make it far too narrow, and they're going to put a lane of traffic right up next to it. It's also in a spot thats not terrible as far as traffic goes, so it's really unnecessary.

    This is actually the same as all the other lanes they've installed here. Some of them are almost invisible because they're so far into the gutter that they're covered in debris. At the same time, they're next to a narrower than normal traffic lane. All it does is encourage people to pass without changing lanes, while not providing any of the separation to allow that safely.

    Has anybody else had to deal with poorly designed lanes? Have you ever been pulled over for not using them?
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    That sucks. Get some black paint for some guerilla wide lanes.

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    The time to protest is NOW, not after they go in, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    The time to protest is NOW, not after they go in, man.
    Of course. Get familiar with

    http://www.sccrtc.org/bikes/AASHTO_1999_BikeBook.pdf

    http://design.transportation.org/Doc...ideFeb2010.pdf
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    Good of you to ensure the city isn't throwing cheap, poorly designed lanes at cyclists. However, would they be open to constructive criticism for where and how to better place bike lanes? Might be a more productive use of your time than simply protesting what could be considered a bike-friendly attempt; they might simply not know better, so better to educate than demonize.

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    Good to go one records saying there are a Hazard.

    Since most states allow you not to ride in them if they're a hazard.

    My line of defensive it was a hazard.
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    It shouldn't be too hard to convince the city to spend less money. Make your arguments logical, not emotional, and they will be all to willing to cave in.

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    If they want to throw down some white paint, do you think sharrows would work better on this road?

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    I can agree with you, what difference does the bike lane do if it's next traffic and some a-hole is just going to double park in it later. Though the other users suggestions do also make sense.



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    I agree your comments should be helpful, suggestive, and pleasant. Better NO bike lane than a bad bike lane.

    Dollar for dollar, the best infrastructure investment for road safety is installing shoulders, and keeping them clean and well marked where they already exist. Sounds like cleaning your road and putting a solid white line would be the besy alternative. Cheap, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roughstuff View Post
    I agree your comments should be helpful, suggestive, and pleasant. Better NO bike lane than a bad bike lane.

    Dollar for dollar, the best infrastructure investment for road safety is installing shoulders, and keeping them clean and well marked where they already exist. Sounds like cleaning your road and putting a solid white line would be the besy alternative. Cheap, too.
    Well said. Bike lanes do not create additional space on the road where none existed before. They act as natural debris collectors, encourage closer passes by overtaking motorists, lull some cyclists into maintaining a road position that makes them less conspicuous to cross-traffic, and reinforce motorists' prejudices that cyclists do not belong on the road. Wide, well-maintained shoulders minus paint reduce motorist/cyclist friction without all these disadvantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajenkins View Post
    It shouldn't be too hard to convince the city to spend less money. Make your arguments logical, not emotional, and they will be all to willing to cave in.
    Maybe, but they might be getting federal matching funds.

    I would definitely send the bike plan person and your local council/assembly an email with your concerns. Unlike state/federal level your vote has major influence, just completed ssembly election was won by 135 votes in my district. (out of 8000 votes (less then 20% registered voters)

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    The only bike 'infrastructure' I want on the roadway are indicators that suggest cyclists have a full right to the road and are not limited to the gutter or some narrow version of it. Unfortunately many 'biking' advocates end up being cycling's worst enemy by promoting 'bike lanes' everywhere without considering unintended consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarnold View Post
    The only bike 'infrastructure' I want on the roadway are indicators that suggest cyclists have a full right to the road and are not limited to the gutter or some narrow version of it..
    Curious Dan, how do you feel about Sharrows? I understand the whole VC rhetoric, etc. Just curious.

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    I like well placed sharrows. They fit my criteria of proclaiming the law: bikes have a right to be here, they are equal partners on the roadway. Unlike lines, sharrows are not overly restrictive and do not suggest that bikes don't have the right to ride outside the lines.
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