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Old 04-15-10, 03:56 PM   #1
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YouTube star Patrick Pogan finally goes to trial for NYC bicyclist assault case

In one of 2008's most popular YouTube videos, NYPD officer Patrick Pogan is seen walking toward a bicyclist and tackling him down to the concrete sidewalk. Then officer Pogan attempted to frame the bicyclist for assaulting a police officer. The video was taken by a tourist who just happened to be standing on the sidewalk as the bicyclist rode by.

Officer Pogan's trial finally starts today. He is charged with felonies for framing the bicyclist as well as misdemeanors for assault. Story in the NY Post: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/n...fCQMXluuQj29FO

The assaulting a police officer charges against the bicyclist were dismissed as soon as the video appeared, but would probably have stuck without the video.
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...anyway watching closely...

Video saved the cyclist, who looked innocent enough.

The Former Officers Lawyer: "Sometimes, good police work can look ugly,"

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He was fired from the NYPD when the felony charges were filed.
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11 days on the job... best to catch the hotheads early.
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Here is the video just in case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXzRczBk06M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWjSO...eature=related
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I hope they gave Mr Pogan a UA.
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the affected is asking 1.5 million, hope he gets it
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the affected is asking 1.5 million, hope he gets it
This is what's wrong with the american legal system. What has he done to be entitled to $1.5 million? Did he lose his job? Was he severely hurt and has huge medical bills? What merits $1.5 million? I think it really should be enough that the officer was fired and faces legal charges.

Everyone believes they are owed a large some of money when stupid things happen. I don't see how he's owed money at all unless he was hurt, can't work, or was fired for the charges that were filed.
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This is what's wrong with the american legal system. What has he done to be entitled to $1.5 million? Did he lose his job? Was he severely hurt and has huge medical bills? What merits $1.5 million? I think it really should be enough that the officer was fired and faces legal charges.

Everyone believes they are owed a large some of money when stupid things happen. I don't see how he's owed money at all unless he was hurt, can't work, or was fired for the charges that were filed.
Agreed here, but the cop should have some punishment if he did something wrong, which it seems like he did.
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This is what's wrong with the american legal system. What has he done to be entitled to $1.5 million? Did he lose his job? Was he severely hurt and has huge medical bills? What merits $1.5 million? I think it really should be enough that the officer was fired and faces legal charges.

Everyone believes they are owed a large some of money when stupid things happen. I don't see how he's owed money at all unless he was hurt, can't work, or was fired for the charges that were filed.
The point of lawsuits in which money exchanges hands is it is supposed to reset the victim into a state prior to the incident. So the easiest example of this is a wrongful death suit where someone who was an engineer, making $x dollars per year, with a life expectancy of y, and is able to provide his family with z comfort of living. They do calculations to figure out how much is family "lost" out on because he is now dead.

In this case, there are many circumstances that could be at play. I suspect that getting tackled off a bike while you are moving is not a nice thing to have happen to you. I bet there were at least some injuries. Then he was arrested, probably forcefully restrained, humiliated. He was framed and treated like a criminal ... until the video came out. Maybe that's not worth 1.5M to you. The other part of the money is to teach the police department to do a better job hiring. If your company lost $1.5M for something stupid you did, I bet they would try really hard not to hire someone like you again.
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The problem with this logic is the we are the ones that end up paying that $1.5 million in the long run. Like I said, I could understand if he lost his job, or lost his ability to work, or lost his ability to get work, or had major medical expenses but I haven't read anything suggesting any of this. Trust me, I know all about people wanting to make a quick buck. My mom has been a paralegal for personal injury cases for the past 20 years. People most often or not end up suing because they think they deserve to get paid. Until I see something saying he deserves $1.5 million I think the lawsuit itself is frivilous. I agree the Officer should pay some restitution and should be in trouble but I don't think it is $1.5million. Heck, here in Nashville a couple of weeks ago a corrections officer decided to rip a guy's grill out during new prisoner intake and the the settlement was for $95K which I think is reasonable. This kid on the bike had no major medical issues that I've seen and he didn't lose his job or atleast neither of these have been reported. Honestly guys, who hasn't wanted to tackle a guy in a critical mass occasionally. Often times, these guys just don't get it and are just being ******bags on bikes (not saying the cop was in the right at all).
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the cop is going to love his time in the prison showers. stay away from me bubba!
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In one of 2008's most popular YouTube videos, NYPD officer Patrick Pogan is seen walking toward a bicyclist and tackling him down to the concrete sidewalk. Then officer Pogan attempted to frame the bicyclist for assaulting a police officer. The video was taken by a tourist who just happened to be standing on the sidewalk as the bicyclist rode by.

Officer Pogan's trial finally starts today. He is charged with felonies for framing the bicyclist as well as misdemeanors for assault. Story in the NY Post: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/n...fCQMXluuQj29FO

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This is what's wrong with the american legal system. What has he done to be entitled to $1.5 million? Did he lose his job? Was he severely hurt and has huge medical bills? What merits $1.5 million? I think it really should be enough that the officer was fired and faces legal charges.

Everyone believes they are owed a large some of money when stupid things happen. I don't see how he's owed money at all unless he was hurt, can't work, or was fired for the charges that were filed.

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WTF does disrupting traffic for commuters have to do with road cycling?

Is the guy even on a road bike?
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Old 04-16-10, 04:13 AM   #14
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The problem with this logic is the we are the ones that end up paying that $1.5 million in the long run.
Don't fret. The kid is not likely to get 1.5 million. Thats just what his lawyer is initially asking for.
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Typical cop behavior. If a cyclist attacked a police officer (I'm not advocating this in any way) similarly to the way he was attacked, he would do hard time. This cop lost his job but is going to get off with a slap on the wrist and will probably not do any real time.

Thank God for the video. There was a similar incident in Chicago (not bike related) and the cop was fired but for some strange reason (yea right...) he was let go. His victim was a 95lb woman bartender who refused to serve an already drunk cop any more booze.

If either case was not caught on video, both victims would have been charged and probably convicted and both cops would still be on the payroll "serving and protecting".
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For real? Surprised the mods left this. A kid two weeks out of the academy is typical of all the cops in NYC or nationwide? Do another bong hit. Can I say ass? Hey look I can.
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Don't fret. The kid is not likely to get 1.5 million. Thats just what his lawyer is initially asking for.
Not to mention that the lawyer will probably get 40% of it anyway. The kid, if awarded the full amount, will only end up with 900,000 or so... of which easily several 10s of thousands will go to pay for possible medical expenses and maybe a new bike. In the end, he may "pocket" perhaps 1/2 a million or so, which can be considered "pain and suffering" for the kid and "punitive damages" for the PD.

All in all it seems quite fair to me for the humiliation, the suffering and the time away from work and loved ones that these false charges brought.
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Don't fret. The kid is not likely to get 1.5 million. Thats just what his lawyer is initially asking for.
The bicyclist is not a "kid". He is a 31-year-old US Army veteran.

If you read the article (link in the OP), there appears to be some kind of conspiracy to frame him for assaulting a police officer. Is that worth $1.5 million? Probably not, but he does deserve some accounting for what could have happened here.
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All in all it seems quite fair to me for the humiliation, the suffering and the time away from work and loved ones that these false charges brought.
Yes. And if anyone doesn't like it then they should be complaining to the officers in charge of their police for doing a crappy job. If Joe Taxpayer doesn't like paying the price he should make sure that he doesn't have his police commit the crime.
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For real? Surprised the mods left this. A kid two weeks out of the academy is typical of all the cops in NYC or nationwide? Do another bong hit. Can I say ass? Hey look I can.
Two weeks on the job and he's already roughing up innocent people? To folks in Cop-Land, this kid is called a "fast learner", maybe even a prodegy. Too bad (for him) he was caught on video because might have received an award otherwise for "serving and protecting".

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This is what's wrong with the American legal system. What has he done to be entitled to $1.5 million? Did he lose his job? Was he severely hurt and has huge medical bills? What merits $1.5 million? I think it really should be enough that the officer was fired and faces legal charges.

Everyone believes they are owed a large some of money when stupid things happen. I don't see how he's owed money at all unless he was hurt, can't work, or was fired for the charges that were filed.
It is my understanding that the cyclist who was assaulted no longer lives in either the city or state of NY. And that he has suffered psychological injuries. That doesn't warrant some sort of compensation? Not all injuries are visible to the naked eye. Psychological/emotional injuries run deeper and take longer to heal then do physical injuries.
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If your company lost $1.5M for something stupid you did, I bet they would try really hard not to hire someone like you again.
And all the people at that company, and every other company, would continue to do what they want, because the shareholders/owners will pay, not them.
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The problem with this logic is the we are the ones that end up paying that $1.5 million in the long run. Like I said, I could understand if he lost his job, or lost his ability to work, or lost his ability to get work, or had major medical expenses but I haven't read anything suggesting any of this. Trust me, I know all about people wanting to make a quick buck. My mom has been a paralegal for personal injury cases for the past 20 years. People most often or not end up suing because they think they deserve to get paid. Until I see something saying he deserves $1.5 million I think the lawsuit itself is frivolous. I agree the Officer should pay some restitution and should be in trouble but I don't think it is $1.5million. Heck, here in Nashville a couple of weeks ago a corrections officer decided to rip a guy's grill out during new prisoner intake and the the settlement was for $95K which I think is reasonable. This kid on the bike had no major medical issues that I've seen and he didn't lose his job or at least neither of these have been reported. Honestly guys, who hasn't wanted to tackle a guy in a critical mass occasionally. Often times, these guys just don't get it and are just being ******bags on bikes (not saying the cop was in the right at all).
Think about it like this, that $1.5 million is the opening bid, he knows that the city of NY is going to make a counter offer, which will probably be considerably lower then the $1.5 million that he is asking for. His lawyer will then come back with a counter, counter offer and they'll go back and forth until they come to a figure that all sides can agree to.

If you've been following this incident at all you would know that the cyclist no longer lives in either the city or state of NY, and that he has an understandable fear of law enforcement officers. Again, don't you think that the psychological and emotional injuries he sustained are worth compensation?
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The guy should get legal costs and a few thousand bucks. The rest of any award should go towards something like bicycle advocacy. I was going to say creating bike infrastructure, but since the government would be doing that, 1.5 million dollars would probably buy a paint stripe one block long.
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