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Old 04-19-10, 08:20 PM   #1
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Cyclist kills pedestrian?!

Here's one you don;t see often...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...yndication=rss

Originally published Monday, April 19, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Renton woman, 83, dies after being struck by bicyclist

An 83-year-old Renton woman has died after suffering critical head injuries in a collision with a bicycle on Sunday afternoon.

By Seattle Times staff

An 83-year-old Renton woman died Monday after suffering head injuries in a collision with a bicyclist on Sunday afternoon.

Just after 4:45 p.m. Sunday, Renton police were called to a collision involving a bicyclist and pedestrian on the Cedar River Trail, approximately a quarter mile east of Highway 405, according to Renton police Cmdr. Paul Cline.

The woman was walking east on the trail and two cyclists, also eastbound, came up behind her and off to her left side, Cline said in a news release. As the cyclists began to pass the woman, she stepped in front of them and was struck, Cline said.

Both the woman and the 57-year-old bicyclist were knocked to the ground, he said. The cyclist was treated at the scene for minor injuries and the woman was rushed to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle with critical head injuries, Cline said.

A death investigator confirmed the woman's death was reported to the King County Medical Examiner's Office some time after noon on Monday. Her name and cause of death are expected to be released on Tuesday following an autopsy.
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Old 04-19-10, 08:25 PM   #2
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That almost happened to me! I was fiddling with my shifters and looking at the cassette of a bike I'd just adjusted, and I hit an elderly lady in a quiet neighbourhood. She was J-walking and I was not paying attention, so we were both at fault. I was badly concussed, lost 2 teeth, and she broke her elbow and needed surgery. We shared an ambulance and both needed oxygen.

Later I found out that though she was 70, she would read to the elderly in hospices, as well as fund programs for the underprivileged.

Basically I wiped out the Mother Theresa of Vancouver, BC.
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Old 04-19-10, 08:34 PM   #3
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Honestly, I almost hit a ped this weekend. I was racing a duathlon, and was hammering in the aerobars. Looked down for a bit too long and when I looked up I was right behind a walker on the side of the road. Felt like complete sh*t for getting that close to causing an accident that would have been painful for two people and 100% my fault.

On the street, and especially on the MUP, it's our responsibility to pass safely...even if the person steps in front of you when you say "on your left".
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Here's one you don;t see often...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...yndication=rss

Originally published Monday, April 19, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Renton woman, 83, dies after being struck by bicyclist

An 83-year-old Renton woman has died after suffering critical head injuries in a collision with a bicycle on Sunday afternoon.

By Seattle Times staff

An 83-year-old Renton woman died Monday after suffering head injuries in a collision with a bicyclist on Sunday afternoon.

Just after 4:45 p.m. Sunday, Renton police were called to a collision involving a bicyclist and pedestrian on the Cedar River Trail, approximately a quarter mile east of Highway 405, according to Renton police Cmdr. Paul Cline.

The woman was walking east on the trail and two cyclists, also eastbound, came up behind her and off to her left side, Cline said in a news release.
As the cyclists began to pass the woman, she stepped in front of them and was struck, Cline said.

Both the woman and the 57-year-old bicyclist were knocked to the ground, he said. The cyclist was treated at the scene for minor injuries and the woman was rushed to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle with critical head injuries, Cline said.

A death investigator confirmed the woman's death was reported to the King County Medical Examiner's Office some time after noon on Monday. Her name and cause of death are expected to be released on Tuesday following an autopsy.
He probably yelled "on your left".

Poor gal.
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She was J-walking and I was not paying attention, so we were both at fault.
Sad thing is, you believe it!
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Old 04-19-10, 08:59 PM   #6
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That doesn't compute Mr. Beanz. If you imply it was a 100% his fault for not paying attention then you are weighing factors he does not have control over as a mechanism for safety.

If it was a car and she J-walked that doesn't auto-imply the car had a physical real world time to slow down. It may, but there-in lies the benefit of the doubt. Crap happens. Don't admire a gear change and don't walk across a road without looking. Both can be bad single or together.
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That doesn't compute Mr. Beanz. If you imply it was a 100% his fault for not paying attention then you are weighing factors he does not have control over as a mechanism for safety.

If it was a car and she J-walked that doesn't auto-imply the car had a physical real world time to slow down. It may, but there-in lies the benefit of the doubt. Crap happens. Don't admire a gear change and don't walk across a road without looking. Both can be bad single or together.


Fiddling with shifter and lookng down at his cassette, not paying attention. Sure, you keep believing that but in reality, he could have prevented it!
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Obviously this will put us in circles, but your logic denotes that a pedestrian can go in any direction they want and no blame shall ever be put on them.
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Obviously this will put us in circles, .
True so I won't waste my breath.




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but your logic denotes that a pedestrian can go in any direction they want and no blame shall ever be put on them.
The reason it would go around in circles, you won't accept my logic.

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Old 04-19-10, 09:16 PM   #10
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Its like you have whiteman's shame but on a cyclist bean level... very intriguing and I'm not starting a race war (I'm Mexi-cano-ard)

...I simply am imply you feel guilty just because you are a cyclist. I do not agree with that. More responsibility? Yes. Total responsibility? No.
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I was on an MUP recently and came up behind a couple with a dog. At the exact wrong moment, of course, the dog darts directly into my line - but it wasn't the wrong moment after all because I was fully expecting it and stopped short.
"Oh, sorry!" said the lady.
"No problem, " I said laughing. "I know dogs."
And indeed I do.
I also know about:

toddlers
people with earbuds/cellphones
small kids on small bikes
bigger kids on bikes too big
squirrels/chipmunks/snakes
skate boarders
mommies with SUV strollers
roller bladers
poseurs on their aero bars
and grandmas

And it seems they're all out to a) kill me or b) be killed by me. I avoid MUPs or become Mr. Mellow while I'm on one. I hate to say it, but I think these two cyclists are at fault - if you're that close, you simply *must* be prepared to stop, and that means going slower than they obviously were.
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Old 04-19-10, 09:24 PM   #12
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I guess the lady forgot her redneck repellant.

Freaking redneck cyclists!!

MUPs aren't for training or for rapid transit, folks! If you're in close proximity to pedestrians, you've got to slow down enough to stop in the event they take an unexpected turn.
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I was on an MUP recently and came up behind a couple with a dog. At the exact wrong moment, of course, the dog darts directly into my line - but it wasn't the wrong moment after all because I was fully expecting it and stopped short.
"Oh, sorry!" said the lady.
"No problem, " I said laughing. "I know dogs."
And indeed I do.
I also know about:

toddlers
people with earbuds/cellphones
small kids on small bikes
bigger kids on bikes too big
squirrels/chipmunks/snakes
skate boarders
mommies with SUV strollers
roller bladers
poseurs on their aero bars
and grandmas
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lol did you have to list everything else you know about...
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Its like you have whiteman's shame but on a cyclist bean level... very intriguing and I'm not starting a race war (I'm Mexi-cano-ard)

...I simply am imply you feel guilty just because you are a cyclist. I do not agree with that. More responsibility? Yes. Total responsibility? No.
WTF!........Like I said........
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I guess the lady forgot her redneck repellant.

Freaking redneck cyclists!!

MUPs aren't for training or for rapid transit, folks! If you're in close proximity to pedestrians, you've got to slow down enough to stop in the event they take an unexpected turn.
How did redneck get dragged into it?
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I'm way more comfortable riding with cagers than peds. Generally I know what to expect from cagers. But peds are so darn unpredictable.
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We had a similar, nasty accident on an organized ride a couple of years ago. Pack of 20-30 riders, pseudo-racing, passed an elderly lady on her bike. OK, she wasn't a pedestrian, but her unsignaled, left turn towards a grocery store has similarities to this scenario. There was a pile-up, the lady hit her head, and she died later of her injuries.

From all accounts, the pack passed her legally -- no legal fault was laid on them -- but it underscores the importance of being extra cautious.
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+100 on a need for reading comprehension. The report didn't indicate that the cyclists were doing either of those things.
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My read is that they were just biking along. Not sweating it. And she moved left at the wrong time (I wished she had moved right so that would sound better). Bang! Old people fall hard. You can't avoid everybody all the time. Maybe they could have given more room. Maybe they could have gone slower.

How many peds have you passed this year? Every one of them could have darted into your path but they didn't. I hope her family understands but I doubt it.
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I wasn't referring to the main article the OP stated, but to, tkehler. Checking gearing and looking down on a MUP is indeed stupid, but thats not what I am talking about... and on a completely unrelated note... I'm sure professional racers never have accidents with pedestrians either.. you know, with their keen ability to predict the entire events of time and space they must know exactly when to pass someone @ 2 mph instead of 15 when going on a hill.
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I wasn't referring to the main article the OP stated, but to, tkehler. Checking gearing and looking down on a MUP is indeed stupid, but thats not what I am talking about... and on a completely unrelated note... I'm sure professional racers never have accidents with pedestrians either.. you know, with their keen ability to predict the entire events of time and space they must know exactly when to pass someone @ 2 mph instead of 15 when going on a hill.
why do we need an unrelated note?
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Sad story. Be careful out there.
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I think we can all agree that this was a tragic situation.
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Active MUPs can be some of the worst riding around. When peds are around I end up slowing to basically a fast walk pace and make sure everyone knows I'm there before passing. It's all about communication.
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