The Persistence of Bike Salmon
http://streetsblog.net/2010/04/19/th...f-bike-salmon/
by Sarah Goodyear on April 19, 2010 http://streetsblog.net/wp-content/up...1ecef67472.jpgThis sign is in London. Do you think anyone got the message? (Photo: Salim Virji via Flickr) Over the weekend on CommuteOrlando Blog, Keri McCaffrey posted a video showing a bicyclist riding in the wrong direction on a Florida street. After pointing out how this might have ended badly for the rider, she poses the question "Why do they do this?": Riding against traffic accounts for 45 percent of bike-v-car crashes in Orlando. The majority of those are intersection crashes because the bicyclist comes from an unexpected direction.… Despite the numerous conflicts people experience from this behavior, they don’t connect the dots. Why? And how do we change that? McCaffrey and many others on CommuteOrlando Blog practice "vehicular cycling," a style of riding in which the cyclist essentially acts like any other vehicle on the road. There’s a long and ongoing debate between vehicular cyclists — who often oppose the construction of bike-specific infrastructure — and those who believe that striped bike lanes and similar facilities are a good way to get more people out biking, thereby achieving safety in numbers and a more welcoming environment for people who might feel reluctant to ride otherwise. There’s no need to reopen that debate here. But you don’t have to be a vehicular cyclist to wonder, as McCaffrey does, "Why do people do this?" As the streets of New York fill up with spring cyclists, the number of "salmon" is rising — and quite often, they are endangering other bikers as well as themselves with their wrong-way riding. It’s one of the most frustrating and hazardous phenomena I encounter on my bike on a regular basis. Why do you think people persist in this behavior? Is it simply because they can’t be bothered to ride a block further to get to a street that goes the right way? Do you have any ideas about how to get them to stop? ... |
They do it because they really believe it's safer to ride against traffic, in spite of all evidence to the contrary.
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Ughh, no. We do it because we are to lazy to go one more block to find a street that goes the right way. I don't normally salmon unless I'm on a quiet residential street, in which case I really don;t see it as a dangerous. When I lived in holland the law let you salmon up pretty much any street that wasn't a busy main street. Here in Sydney there aren't too many streets that are safe for Salmoning like in Holland. Normally when riding I don't salmon.
Still when I got to deliver stuff I Salmon all the time. I'm aware of how dangerous it is and when salmoning I'm usually being hyperattentive. Also we have one or two streets were one side of the street will be totally congested and no traffic whatsoever on the other side. Sometimes it's just easier to get to whatever address I need to be at by salmoning up such streets. As for salmoning up a street with actual traffic? That is absolutely stupid. I only Salmon up empty streets or ones with precious little traffic. And even then I suppose there is a high risk of someone pulling out into the road with out seeing me or more likely a jaywalker who looked in the direction of traffic but not where I'm coming from walking out in front of me. Honestly, except for messengers I don't see too many bike salmon around here anyway. |
Originally Posted by The Human Car
(Post 10714640)
But you don’t have to be a vehicular cyclist to wonder, as McCaffrey does, "Why do people do this?" As the streets of New York fill up with spring cyclists, the number of "salmon" is rising — and quite often, they are endangering other bikers as well as themselves with their wrong-way riding. It’s one of the most frustrating and hazardous phenomena I encounter on my bike on a regular basis.
Originally Posted by The Human Car
(Post 10714640)
Why do you think people persist in this behavior? Is it simply because they can’t be bothered to ride a block further to get to a street that goes the right way? Do you have any ideas about how to get them to stop?
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Forrest, you hit on it -- the pedestrian teaching about going against traffic -- it's just because so many people think of bikes as kids' toys that they MUST be ridden on the sidewalk... ERGO...................................................
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The real killer is when they're riding in the narrow left lane while the right (correct) lane is gigantic.
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Originally Posted by richardmasoner
(Post 10714650)
They do it because they really believe it's safer to ride against traffic, in spite of all evidence to the contrary.
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Originally Posted by The Human Car
(Post 10714640)
http://streetsblog.net/2010/04/19/th...f-bike-salmon/
by Sarah Goodyear on April 19, 2010 http://streetsblog.net/wp-content/up...1ecef67472.jpgThis sign is in London. Do you think anyone got the message? (Photo: Salim Virji via Flickr) Over the weekend on CommuteOrlando Blog, Keri McCaffrey posted a video showing a bicyclist riding in the wrong direction on a Florida street. After pointing out how this might have ended badly for the rider, she poses the question "Why do they do this?": Riding against traffic accounts for 45 percent of bike-v-car crashes in Orlando. The majority of those are intersection crashes because the bicyclist comes from an unexpected direction.… Despite the numerous conflicts people experience from this behavior, they don’t connect the dots. Why? And how do we change that? McCaffrey and many others on CommuteOrlando Blog practice "vehicular cycling," a style of riding in which the cyclist essentially acts like any other vehicle on the road. There’s a long and ongoing debate between vehicular cyclists — who often oppose the construction of bike-specific infrastructure — and those who believe that striped bike lanes and similar facilities are a good way to get more people out biking, thereby achieving safety in numbers and a more welcoming environment for people who might feel reluctant to ride otherwise. There’s no need to reopen that debate here. But you don’t have to be a vehicular cyclist to wonder, as McCaffrey does, "Why do people do this?" As the streets of New York fill up with spring cyclists, the number of "salmon" is rising — and quite often, they are endangering other bikers as well as themselves with their wrong-way riding. It’s one of the most frustrating and hazardous phenomena I encounter on my bike on a regular basis. Why do you think people persist in this behavior? Is it simply because they can’t be bothered to ride a block further to get to a street that goes the right way? Do you have any ideas about how to get them to stop? ... 1) A bicycle is a toy for pedestrians, and on a street pedestrians are encouraged to walk against traffic to avoid being hit from behind. In this case, states that do not define a bicycle as a vehicle, should. The traffic laws then need to be reviewed, so that those that apply only to motorized vehicles, would state "motor vehicle", this then makes it clear in the law. I have said this before, and will probably say it again, bicycle safety equipment requirements and minimum standards should be set in the same laws as the requirements for other road vehicles. There would then be the concept of a street legal bicycle, which contains that safety equipment, and a non-street legal bicycle, which does not. This would be followed by a series of PSA's through newspapers, radio and television, and inserts in licence renewal forms, so that all citizens know that a bicycle is a vehicle, and how it is to be legally treated. All police officers would be provided with this information as well. 2) People are convinced that the most common bicycle-vs-car collision is the hit from behind, which in most places it isn't, most collisions occur at intersections. Τhe solution here, is really twofold, first we have bicycle mirrors, and they have been around for decades. Second we need better safe passing laws, the 3' law is good with small motor vehicles that are travelling slowly, however as speed increases or the size of the vehicle, more space is required. The laws needs to state such, for example at 30MPH for a vehicle under 10,000lbs you need 3', for every additional 10,000lbs or 10MPH in speed you need to give 1 additional foot, up to a maximum of 1 full lane. A truck at 56,000lbs travelling at 80MPH would need to provide 13' to safely pass a bicycle. However in a lane that is 14' wide, with the bicycle 3; from the curb, this would not be possible. The safe passing law would naturally tie into speed limits, if the road is not wide enough for the largest motor vehicle it typically sees to pass safely at the speed limit, then the speed limit needs adjusting. |
There are a couple of places on my regular commute that could use that sign. Around here a common sight is not just cyclists going the wrong way, but going the wrong way with shopping bags hanging from the ends of their handlebars. On bikes that are clearly too small for them. It's really amazing I don't see more of them becoming hood ornaments.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
(Post 10716331)
That and they use the same "logic" for riding on sidewalks. What is it going to take to get it through their "thick" skulls that this is a dangerous, stupid and illegal action???
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If a person you know and care about rides in an unsafe manner, then by all means talk to him or her about it.
If you are a law enforcement officer and wrong-way riding is unlawful in your jurisdiction, cite the miscreants. If you are leading a group ride, keep your duckings in line. Otherwise, see #10 above and ask yourself if your feelings of anger and superiority make life better for you and those you love. |
I asked a salmon why he cycled the wrong way on the street recently while waiting at the red light. Well, I had stopped -- salmon paused for a moment after changing sides. He shrugged his shoulders and sped off against the red and neatly dodged an oncoming car. I think this particular guy does it because he likes to buck the rules since he's so special and keen. Anything anyone could say to that fellow would get lost in the wind. I just hope I never seen him in an accident.
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The only time I have ever felt endangered by salmon was a salmon rollerblader... OMG. I thought I had moved far enough out to dodge her but I still ran over her foot.
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Originally Posted by Wogsterca
(Post 10716742)
There are 2 reasons for wrong way riding.
1) A bicycle is a toy for pedestrians, and on a street pedestrians are encouraged to walk against traffic to avoid being hit from behind. In this case, states that do not define a bicycle as a vehicle, should. The traffic laws then need to be reviewed, so that those that apply only to motorized vehicles, would state "motor vehicle", this then makes it clear in the law. I have said this before, and will probably say it again, bicycle safety equipment requirements and minimum standards should be set in the same laws as the requirements for other road vehicles. There would then be the concept of a street legal bicycle, which contains that safety equipment, and a non-street legal bicycle, which does not. This would be followed by a series of PSA's through newspapers, radio and television, and inserts in licence renewal forms, so that all citizens know that a bicycle is a vehicle, and how it is to be legally treated. All police officers would be provided with this information as well. Also there is such a thing as a street legal bicycle in most places. It is called a bike with a working brake, and reflectors/active lighting if used after dark. what more could you possibly need? functioning turn signals? Please. |
The persistence of bike salmon in London and cities around the USA is partly a result of cycling as of yet failing to achieve critical mass.
In cities that stripe in road infrastructure that supports roadway cycling, there is a reduction in sidewalk cycling. This is a big plus for rider safety. Additionally, i've observed in US cities with high ridership and equitable roadscape for bike traffic that wrong way cyclists are the minority. Wrong way riding behavior gets culled out as ridership increases. A cyclist can't fight the commuter peloton for too long before they discover that yes indeed they might be traveling in the wrong direction! (I can just picture a salmon trying to ride in Copenhagen during rush hour - not going to happen!) I predict American cyclist counts would show a lessening in the ratio of wrongway:correct direction cyclists as cities build ridership. salmon are either not there, OR the roads support a multi directional cycling approach (woonerven), in cities with high ridership. NYC is an odd bird, but even there i suspect to see some greater normalization of bike traffic there as the city builds in more roadway bicycling infrastructure and NYC takes progressive steps to guide non-motorized transportation policy. Maybe Manhattan needs to become one giant Woonerf???? |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 10716784)
The "salmon's" actions are certainly an insignificant danger to the whining ranters except for being an affront to oversensitive control freaks, and their anal efforts to control the actions of other cyclists.
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Originally Posted by cyclokitty
(Post 10716938)
I asked a salmon why he cycled the wrong way on the street recently while waiting at the red light. Well, I had stopped -- salmon paused for a moment after changing sides. He shrugged his shoulders and sped off against the red and neatly dodged an oncoming car. I think this particular guy does it because he likes to buck the rules since he's so special and keen. Anything anyone could say to that fellow would get lost in the wind. I just hope I never seen him in an accident.
I suspect that the other fellow hopes never to see you or hear your "questions" anywhere. |
Originally Posted by The Human Car
(Post 10714640)
http://streetsblog.net/2010/04/19/th...f-bike-salmon/
Riding against traffic accounts for 45 percent of bike-v-car crashes in Orlando.
Originally Posted by The Human Car
(Post 10714640)
Why do you think people persist in this behavior? Is it simply because they can’t be bothered to ride a block further to get to a street that goes the right way? Do you have any ideas about how to get them to stop?
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Agreed. And even if you see them in advance then you're unsure what they'll do because they're already demonstrating that they might be a bit erratic and unpredictable.
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Originally Posted by RazrSkutr
(Post 10717287)
Agreed. And even if you see them in advance then you're unsure what they'll do because they're already demonstrating that they might be a bit erratic and unpredictable.
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Originally Posted by RazrSkutr
(Post 10717272)
That's only interesting if the percentage of wrong-way riders in the population is much less than 45%. Otherwise it's as expected and does not demonstrate that wrong-way riders are at increased risk.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 10717307)
The Horror, The Horror; or is it the sky is falling because a tiny bit more "uncertainty" might be momentarily added to your life? You must be cycling in paradise if this bit of "uncertainty" is a significant issue where you ride.
Wrong way riding is a pretty good indication that the person is more of a risk taker or more out of it than other road users. Both of those are traits that make for poor road sharing and I give the people that display them a wide berth. Take those people off their Can-Do-No-Wrong vehicle and shove them in a car and you'll be back here *****ing about the moron that right-hooked you. |
Originally Posted by RazrSkutr
(Post 10717322)
Take those people off their Can-Do-No-Wrong vehicle and shove them in a car and you'll be back here *****ing about the moron that right-hooked you.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 10716784)
Maybe "they" will get it about the same time that thick skulled pompous blowhards and self proclaimed safety experts "get it" that the "dangerous" actions of so-called salmon (and sidewalk riders) are none of their business. The alleged "danger" is relatively minor and perhaps balanced out by other considerations to the "salmon." The "salmon's" actions are certainly an insignificant danger to the whining ranters except for being an affront to oversensitive control freaks, and their anal efforts to control the actions of other cyclists.
And I'm having a chuckle at said curmudgeons who can't do else but anally exert their own efforts to control other "oversensitive control freaks" with their societal sociopathy. |
Originally Posted by DX-MAN
(Post 10718196)
... the other millions of barely functional morons who sit behind steering wheels view ALL bike riders...
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