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    Cell phone blocking app

    Now this a majorly good thing- been talking about this for years.

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    How do they know when you’re driving? They rely on your phone’s GPS to calculate your speed. If it’s more than five or 10 miles an hour, it’s pretty clear that you’re no longer walking. (You could be riding your bicycle, of course. But come to think of it, that’s probably not a great time to be texting, either.)
    You could also be in a bus, taxi or train, or just sitting next to someone who is driving. Fail.

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    Who is this General Failure anyway, and why is he reading my drive?


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    Yeah, I never use my phone when driving, but often do when I'm a passenger.

    Of course, I don't have a smartphone and don't have any intention of getting one either (heck, even my cheapo cell is only turned on 1 or 2 times a month) so it's kind of a moot point for me anyway.
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    Maybe it could call also the police if it detects over PSL per database of roads. Sic that on your kids mom and dad.

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    Cell phone (or other radio transmission) blocking is a federal crime. Hidden cell phones are a problem in prisons, but even a prison can't install blocking equipment.

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    There's no radio signal blocking. The phone is disabling itself. No federal laws invoked.

    These are going to need lower powered GPS. If I left my GPS on for several hours, I wouldn't be making calls because of a flat battery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerlenbach View Post
    Cell phone (or other radio transmission) blocking is a federal crime. Hidden cell phones are a problem in prisons, but even a prison can't install blocking equipment.
    RTFA. This is not blocking the radio transmission, it's talking about apps on the phone that detect that the phone is moving at car speeds and disables all but a limited number of calling functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    RTFA. This is not blocking the radio transmission, it's talking about apps on the phone that detect that the phone is moving at car speeds and disables all but a limited number of calling functions.
    Effectively keeping the cager even more intent on restarting his phone then driving.

    Just make it illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    Effectively keeping the cager even more intent on restarting his phone then driving.

    Just make it illegal.

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    Make it illegal AND enforce it. Many places have made it illegal, that doesn't stop it on its own.
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    I thought the cell disabling application was called the "power button"
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    Making it illegal isn't the answer, either. How about we actually use some, oh I don't know, education to fight inattentive drivers? If you make it illegal to be distracted by your cell phone, an inattentive driver will just find something else to be distracted by. Be it the radio, the iPod, the passenger. It is the driver that is the problem, not the equipment.

    More money into driver education, might actually yield results that we want. More money into enforcement of feel good laws, will do nothing for anyone(except generate some revenue for the police).

    I'm not against an app that blocks this, as it is the user's choice to buy it or not. But making these laws is just stupid. A "texting while driving" law does nothing but make some people feel good, while not actually protecting them in the least.

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    As for the Passenger Problem, you can temporarily unblock the phone by solving a timed puzzle.
    This assumes a reasonable level of intellect. I question if people who use the phone while driving have that.

    These apps are a start. I would like to see something like this come pre-installed on all new phones with no way for the user to tamper with the operation of the app.

    The Florida texting while driving law is ridiculous. The fine is only $30. I think the penalty should be much higher, and if someone who is texting while driving is involved in a wreck the phone gets confiscated and destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun View Post
    This assumes a reasonable level of intellect. I question if people who use the phone while driving have that.

    These apps are a start. I would like to see something like this come pre-installed on all new phones with no way for the user to tamper with the operation of the app.

    The Florida texting while driving law is ridiculous. The fine is only $30. I think the penalty should be much higher, and if someone who is texting while driving is involved in a wreck the phone gets confiscated and destroyed.
    Why wouldn't you want to see the problem actually be resolved, by educating people on how asinine it really is? Laws like this don't fix anything, and they really don't make a dent. People will just hold the phone lower so you can't see it(and actually take their eyes further from the road).

    Honestly, it really bothers me that so many people are touting for more laws like this, but never say anything about the state of the education of people in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedwagon98 View Post
    Why wouldn't you want to see the problem actually be resolved, by educating people on how asinine it really is? Laws like this don't fix anything, and they really don't make a dent. People will just hold the phone lower so you can't see it(and actually take their eyes further from the road).

    Honestly, it really bothers me that so many people are touting for more laws like this, but never say anything about the state of the education of people in the first place.
    Okay, on the subject of driver education: I would like to see a driver licensing system based on that of Japan. To get a DL it takes about 6 months of training and costs about $5000. And that's if the person passes every part of the training on the first try. Fail any part of the training and it's start over at square one.

    How to implement this in the U.S.? Incrementally. Start will all new driver applicants. Give existing licensed drivers 5 years to get the new license. After 5 years make the old license is no longer valid for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    Make it illegal AND enforce it. Many places have made it illegal, that doesn't stop it on its own.
    Quote Originally Posted by pueblonative View Post
    I thought the cell disabling application was called the "power button"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    Make it illegal AND enforce it. Many places have made it illegal, that doesn't stop it on its own.
    easier than it sounds. It would take a load more spending in technology to track cell phone movements in real time (do you want the government to be able to do that). And that's only on cell phone conversations; SMS messaging is stateless. So unless you catch the person in the act it's going to be hard for Officer Friendly to determine who's texting and who isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBLover View Post
    Now this a majorly good thing- been talking about this for years.
    I suppose just using your brain was too much to ask? Jeeze can't these folks simply NOT answer the phone or text while driving?

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    You can buy a real cell phone jammer for a little over 28 bucks, though I wouldn't recommend using it unless the drivers in question are stopped.

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    There are a lot of Bicycle courier companies that operate solely by Cell phone. If talking on the phone and riding was illegal and enforced, you'd hurt quite a few of those companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun View Post
    Okay, on the subject of driver education: I would like to see a driver licensing system based on that of Japan. To get a DL it takes about 6 months of training and costs about $5000. And that's if the person passes every part of the training on the first try. Fail any part of the training and it's start over at square one.
    It's about the same here. You also have to pass courses on night riding and riding in winter conditions. You operate a machine that weighs +1 metric tons, you have to 1) prove you can control it and 2) be held accountable if you fail.

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    This is what has been needed; now, instead of a voluntary app, it needs to be hardwired in. Sorry, libertarians -- cell phone activity in the driver's seat has been pretty conclusively shown to be a hazard to many people's health. It's WORSE than DWI!

    There's a guy on another site I frequent, who asserts that people of different skills should have different freedoms; of course, he feels he can handle TWD. As he is a frequent cyclist (his own admission), I find it a bit disconcerting that he would promote this idea. He has never explained to me how anyone is going to figure out the comparative skill levels of 190 million people, or how he can justify easing off some people who show poor habits but have not yet hurt/killed anyone.

    Yes, a lower-powered GPS feature would be advisable; I also kinda like the idea that a timed puzzle could unlock the phone, for times when you're a passenger (although a passenger could do this for the driver and defeat the whole thing).

    Bottom line, though, I'd choose IZUP. Wean these overgrown babies off the wireless teat.

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    Last edited by noisebeam; 05-01-10 at 07:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    This is what has been needed; now, instead of a voluntary app, it needs to be hardwired in. Sorry, libertarians -- cell phone activity in the driver's seat has been pretty conclusively shown to be a hazard to many people's health. It's WORSE than DWI!
    This is one of those useless stats that gets thrown around without context:

    http://www.lps.uci.edu/SSHonors/HFES2006.pdf

    When drivers were conversing on either a handheld or hands-free cell phone, their
    braking reactions were delayed and they were involved in more traffic accidents than
    when they were not conversing on a cell phone. By contrast, when drivers were intoxicated
    from ethanol they exhibited a more aggressive driving style, following closer
    to the vehicle immediately in front of them and applying more force while braking.
    the key words are WHEN they were on the phone. Barring Jabberjaw I would not be assuming that the people are chatting full time when they are on the cell. By contrast, when you're drunk you're drunk. There is no period where you are drunk one sec, not drunk the next, and drunk again the third.
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    Quote Originally Posted by degnaw View Post
    You can buy a real cell phone jammer for a little over 28 bucks, though I wouldn't recommend using it unless the drivers in question are stopped.
    And I definitely would recommend against using it on a regular basis on a regular route, or ever telling anyone about it, since it's a federal offense to own or operate one.
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