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    Helpless people and a flat tire.

    http://www.slowbikemiami.com/my-first-flat-tire/

    How helpless can one get?

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    Did you take some meds for the pain?
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    why did you need to share this pain?

    and why on earth did they put a tire like that on the back.

    lol, that was indeed painful, i want my 90 seconds back

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    How many motorists today can change their tire? I wouldn't expect a lot of bicyclists to be able do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    How many motorists today can change their tire? I wouldn't expect a lot of bicyclists to be able do the same.
    Now that you mention it, it amazes me how many grown adults I know that still need to call their daddy/husband/AAA because turning 4-5 lug nuts is too complex for them. That should be part of the DMV test to get a license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    How many motorists today can change their tire?
    That's equally as frightening, if not more surprising (considering the abundance of motor vehicle owners). Hell, they don't even have to worry about tubes anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    How many motorists today can change their tire? I wouldn't expect a lot of bicyclists to be able do the same.
    Auto tires do not go flat nearly as often as they did in years past. I haven't had a flat tire in probably 25 years or more.
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    Humans are not born either knowing how to change bike tires nor with the required equipment.

    Applying derisive labels like "helpless" is no way to enhance advocacy or safety. If you care about the issue, help and teach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
    If you care about the issue, help and teach.
    Where can you teach the most?
    At a bike shop, where the helpless take their flats.
    Will the bike shop teach?
    No, they only want to bill the helpless folk $5 for the tube, and $5 for installation labor.
    People remain ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    Auto tires do not go flat nearly as often as they did in years past. I haven't had a flat tire in probably 25 years or more.
    They happen a lot more in places where there is a lot of residential construction. I've pulled eight nails out of the tires of our two cars in the last eleven years. When my wife and I moved into our new house, her car flatted at the bottom of the driveway. She insisted on calling AAA, but I was mortified. I raced to fix the tire (in full view of the new neighbors) before the truck could get there. I won, and shared some beer with the bystanders.

    I've helped lots of newbies fix flats during large organized group bike rides. If we have time, I make them do it, but I coach them. Many seem intimidated by the rear drivetrain, but the part that is actually hardest for many people is getting the tire back on the rim if it's tight.

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    Think a mobile bike repair biz would take off?
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    How about a phone/handheld-friendly web site with videos explaining on-road bike repair step-by-step?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    Auto tires do not go flat nearly as often as they did in years past. I haven't had a flat tire in probably 25 years or more.
    That's great! I wish I could say the same, plus I cannot recall how many flats I've changed for myself as well as for others in the past 25 years. I changed a tire just 4 months ago on the mother in law's car due to sidewall damage, and repaired another on a family member's vehicle due to road debris about a quarter the size of a dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
    Humans are not born either knowing how to change bike tires nor with the required equipment.

    Applying derisive labels like "helpless" is no way to enhance advocacy or safety. If you care about the issue, help and teach.
    And even on this very forum you can find threads of people saying, I tried to put so-and-so tire on the rim and it was difficult--I broke the tire lever, etc. It's not necessarily a trivial operation. However, it is likely that many cyclists don't think about mechanics or maintenance until it is too late.

    I've changed a flat on my car, and I have to say, I'd just as soon have someone else do it if I can.

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    Well, changing a car tire is pretty hard and requires special tools. I've done it with crowbars and it's actually incredibly dangerous; the crowbars can fly back into your face.

    Luckily car drivers usually only have to put on the spare wheel+tire.

    I also haven't changed a tire on a car for many years. I did have a blowout about 6 years ago, before that it was probably another 5 or 6 years. I have friends who have blowouts fairly often, but I've ridden with them and I know why; they tend to hit curbs and potholes, they're really hard on their tires and cars.

    As far as changing a bike tire, anyone who can't do it after just watching someone do it once is truly hopeless; it's not like it's difficult or anything. Heck, go to youtube and look it up, watch for 5 minutes, you should be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickkoto View Post
    Now that you mention it, it amazes me how many grown adults I know that still need to call their daddy/husband/AAA because turning 4-5 lug nuts is too complex for them. That should be part of the DMV test to get a license.
    I agree. Myself and most of my friends wouldn't let their kids drive without demonstrating that they knew how to change a tire without help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    I agree. Myself and most of my friends wouldn't let their kids drive without demonstrating that they knew how to change a tire without help.
    Inability to change a tire still happens, since there are parents who themselves do not know how to change a tire. The worst part is that many vehicles now require the lug nuts to be torqued to ft/lbs ratings of a 100 lbs or more, beyond the physical strength of some motorists to loosen, requiring help from others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    Inability to change a tire still happens, since there are parents who themselves do not know how to change a tire. The worst part is that many vehicles now require the lug nuts to be torqued to ft/lbs ratings of a 100 lbs or more, beyond the physical strength of some motorists to loosen, requiring help from others.
    Just buy a cross wrench. My 12 year old can get off lug bolts tightened to 120 foot pounds if he uses a cross wrench. I put one in every car I own; I've had too many stock tire tools just fall apart in use, and with a cross wrench I can help people with different sized lug bolts than I have. It's a very good $15 investment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    Just buy a cross wrench.
    I can just see my 78 year old mother in law wrestling a cross wrench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    I can just see my 78 year old mother in law wrestling a cross wrench.
    My mom is in her mid 80s, and is pretty small, about 100 pounds. She could probably do it if she really had to, though I'd encourage her to just call someone, certainly.

    It's actually harder for people with limited physical ability to get the car jack placed properly and the car jacked up safely than to do the actual tire changing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sggoodri View Post
    How about a phone/handheld-friendly web site with videos explaining on-road bike repair step-by-step?
    But I want to get out of the house!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alicestrong View Post
    But I want to get out of the house!!
    Good point. I'm the same way, but I have a lot of non-cycling geek friends who seem to live for posting how-to videos on the Internet.

    But it looks well covered on YouTube already!
    http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...bike+tire&aq=4
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    Maybe you should look inward and examine why this irritates you so much, grasshopper?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    It's actually harder for people with limited physical ability to get the car jack placed properly and the car jacked up safely than to do the actual tire changing.
    Not just limited physical ability. I know at least 2 people who have put their jack through the gas tank.

    Many bike shops will give free classes on tire changes. It's almost necessary to learn if you do any amount of riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    Where can you teach the most?
    At a bike shop, where the helpless take their flats.
    Will the bike shop teach?
    No, they only want to bill the helpless folk $5 for the tube, and $5 for installation labor.
    People remain ignorant.

    -Kurt
    Kurt,

    I work at a bike shop that teaches 3 to 4 programs a week in the store. That includes Fix - A - Flat, and Basic Bike Maintenance programs, Park Tools School and other bicycle related programs. Please remember that some people are in this business becuase they love riding bicycles...

    Thanks!

    -Elliot

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