I've never heard of this metric for determining lane width before.
05-12-10, 08:50 PM
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4511.31 Establishing hazardous zones.
(A) The department of transportation may determine those portions of any state highway where overtaking and passing other traffic or driving to the left of the center or center line of the roadway would be especially hazardous and may, by appropriate signs or markings on the highway, indicate the beginning and end of such zones. When such signs or markings are in place and clearly visible, every operator of a vehicle or trackless trolley shall obey the directions of the signs or markings, notwithstanding the distances set out in section 4511.30 of the Revised Code.
(B) Division (A) of this section does not apply when all of the following apply:
(1) The slower vehicle is proceeding at less than half the speed of the speed limit applicable to that location.
(2) The faster vehicle is capable of overtaking and passing the slower vehicle without exceeding the speed limit.
(3) There is sufficient clear sight distance to the left of the center or center line of the roadway to meet the overtaking and passing provisions of section 4511.29 of the Revised Code, considering the speed of the slower vehicle.
(A) The department of transportation may determine those portions of any state highway where overtaking and passing other traffic or driving to the left of the center or center line of the roadway would be especially hazardous and may, by appropriate signs or markings on the highway, indicate the beginning and end of such zones. When such signs or markings are in place and clearly visible, every operator of a vehicle or trackless trolley shall obey the directions of the signs or markings, notwithstanding the distances set out in section 4511.30 of the Revised Code.
(B) Division (A) of this section does not apply when all of the following apply:
(1) The slower vehicle is proceeding at less than half the speed of the speed limit applicable to that location.
(2) The faster vehicle is capable of overtaking and passing the slower vehicle without exceeding the speed limit.
(3) There is sufficient clear sight distance to the left of the center or center line of the roadway to meet the overtaking and passing provisions of section 4511.29 of the Revised Code, considering the speed of the slower vehicle.
05-13-10, 04:08 PM
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Sounds like the reporter doesn't know how to write, something quite common nowadays in the shrinking newspaper business... I like how it says the double yellow somehow indicates the width of the lane AND mentions "a cyclist riding single file" as if a (singular) cyclist could be riding in any other formation, ha ha ha...
On most the country roads I've done group rides on, since the cars are few and far between, the bicyclists ARE travelling at the "normal speed of traffic" because they ARE the only traffic and hence could not be impeding traffic... ???
On most the country roads I've done group rides on, since the cars are few and far between, the bicyclists ARE travelling at the "normal speed of traffic" because they ARE the only traffic and hence could not be impeding traffic... ???
05-14-10, 04:30 PM
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In Ohio, it's the law.
4511.31 Establishing hazardous zones.
(A) The department of transportation may determine those portions of any state highway where overtaking and passing other traffic or driving to the left of the center or center line of the roadway would be especially hazardous and may, by appropriate signs or markings on the highway, indicate the beginning and end of such zones. When such signs or markings are in place and clearly visible, every operator of a vehicle or trackless trolley shall obey the directions of the signs or markings, notwithstanding the distances set out in section 4511.30 of the Revised Code.
(B) Division (A) of this section does not apply when all of the following apply:
(1) The slower vehicle is proceeding at less than half the speed of the speed limit applicable to that location.
(2) The faster vehicle is capable of overtaking and passing the slower vehicle without exceeding the speed limit.
(3) There is sufficient clear sight distance to the left of the center or center line of the roadway to meet the overtaking and passing provisions of section 4511.29 of the Revised Code, considering the speed of the slower vehicle.
(A) The department of transportation may determine those portions of any state highway where overtaking and passing other traffic or driving to the left of the center or center line of the roadway would be especially hazardous and may, by appropriate signs or markings on the highway, indicate the beginning and end of such zones. When such signs or markings are in place and clearly visible, every operator of a vehicle or trackless trolley shall obey the directions of the signs or markings, notwithstanding the distances set out in section 4511.30 of the Revised Code.
(B) Division (A) of this section does not apply when all of the following apply:
(1) The slower vehicle is proceeding at less than half the speed of the speed limit applicable to that location.
(2) The faster vehicle is capable of overtaking and passing the slower vehicle without exceeding the speed limit.
(3) There is sufficient clear sight distance to the left of the center or center line of the roadway to meet the overtaking and passing provisions of section 4511.29 of the Revised Code, considering the speed of the slower vehicle.
05-14-10, 05:54 PM
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I'm not sure why everyone's emphasizing the fact that its illegal to pass over a double yellow. I've ridden in areas where it's impossible to find a lane wide enough to share with a car, meaning a car going the same direction I was would never be able to pass me.
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I think its illegal bro
05-15-10, 09:00 PM
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Depends where you are. In Colorado it is expressly LEGAL to cross a double yellow line to safely pass a cyclist.
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In Florida a double yellow line means no passing. But if a vehicle is stopped, such a the mailman, UPS or a delivery vehicle you are allowed to pass. An impeding vehicle like a tractor or a bicycle you are also allowed to pass, if it is safe to do so..
In Florida, if the lane is not wide enough for a bicycle and a vehicle side by side with the three foot clearance required by law then it is a substandard lane and the bicycle can take the whole lane. So legally you could have two or three cyclists side by side and still be legal.
Judges do make up their own rules if they can get away with it even if some people say they don't. Maybe they just don't know bicycle laws that good..And these judges should be fought in court.
In Florida, if the lane is not wide enough for a bicycle and a vehicle side by side with the three foot clearance required by law then it is a substandard lane and the bicycle can take the whole lane. So legally you could have two or three cyclists side by side and still be legal.
Judges do make up their own rules if they can get away with it even if some people say they don't. Maybe they just don't know bicycle laws that good..And these judges should be fought in court.
05-15-10, 11:51 PM
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Actually, I'd love to have them doing that here. It would give Bubba someone to be mad at besides the few cyclists; maybe we would catch a break from him/her.
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Its legal just about everywhere, if not everywhere, to cross the double-yellow (or single yellow as the case may be) to pass slow moving traffic like cyclists, tractors etc...
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I've looked for such a rule in NY state but haven't found it. Any help would be appreciated. I doubt anyone would or has been cited for crossing a double yellow to pass a slow moving vehicle, but I can't find the legal justification.
05-16-10, 02:43 PM
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At least in MD it is illegal to pass anything over a double yellow line, though rarely enforced except in one county (that I know of.)
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the safety nannies (car version) have made all the rural roads I ride on uniformly double yellow line. Since passing distances can often be measured in car lengths (e.g. uphill) it's not in our interest to have passing on double yellow made illegal. I thought the standard in most states was that the slower vehicle had to be going less than half the speed limit.
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In my country is a law about passing cyclist within less than 1m (that 1m can be measured by the eye of a policeman.. but not to worry, i haven't heard of a single fine given on this basis (although, the law is there).
So here on a one lane road you can find yourself passed by trucks within centimeters at various speeds ranging from 50 to 200km/h (speed limits are not properly enforced, so a 200km/h will fall unnoticed, and even if it does once in a while, it's a 100$ fine and a month suspended from driving)
So as a cyclist, I only ride on two lane roads, to ease the stress of being passed at small range by high speeds, well over the limits.
So here on a one lane road you can find yourself passed by trucks within centimeters at various speeds ranging from 50 to 200km/h (speed limits are not properly enforced, so a 200km/h will fall unnoticed, and even if it does once in a while, it's a 100$ fine and a month suspended from driving)
So as a cyclist, I only ride on two lane roads, to ease the stress of being passed at small range by high speeds, well over the limits.
05-16-10, 09:34 PM
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Ohio says this explicitly. Other states allow crossing double yellow to pass an "obstruction" but are often vague about whether a (slow) moving vehicle can be considered an obstruction.
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