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    To the anti-helmet proponents on the forum...

    look at how many heads hit the pavement and tell me with a straight face that if they had not been wearing helmets, their head injuries (or lack thereof) would have been the same. Tell me that wearing a helmet didn't lessen thier injuries.


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    Actually look at the neck rotation on that one hit, the guy in the spotty jersey.
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    I thought the same thing - there would have been some very serious head injuries had they not been wearing helmets. Even with the helmets there were some bells rung.

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    I'm trying to remember the last time I was hammering as hard as I could in the middle of a huge pack of other cyclists on my way to work. Can't think of any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onyourback View Post
    I'm trying to remember the last time I was hammering as hard as I could in the middle of a huge pack of other cyclists on my way to work. Can't think of any.
    Thats not the issue.
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    How many "anti-helmet proponents" are there really, anyways? Sounds sort of like a strawman to me.

    "Anti-helmet-law proponents", sure, but not many people go around saying that helmets never help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by San Rensho View Post
    Thats not the issue.
    Please don't encourage the haters. Sufice it to say that injuries would have been much worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbeachgary View Post
    Please don't encourage the haters. Sufice it to say that injuries would have been much worse.
    Many anti helmet proponents here, in their partisan zeal, would never concede that point. Kind of like arguing the sun doesn't rise in the east, but they do it anyway.
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    Sure, the helmets may very well have prevented some injuries. To what extent and what kind of injuries, we can't know for sure.

    Now here's the question: When have you ever been in this situation? You may say, "It doesn't matter," but it really does if you're using it as an argument for helmet use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeshoup View Post
    Sure, the helmets may very well have prevented some injuries. To what extent and what kind of injuries, we can't know for sure.

    Now here's the question: When have you ever been in this situation? You may say, "It doesn't matter," but it really does if you're using it as an argument for helmet use.
    Thank you, finally someone rational. And I agree with your second point, different situations may or may not argue for helmet use. When I ride in a big group of 50-100 riders on a training ride/race, I always wear a helmet, because what happened in the video happens on a regular basis on the group rides I go on. Now, when I ride 3 blocks to the store to get a newspaper, I don't wear a helmet.
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    Il faut de l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeshoup View Post
    Sure, the helmets may very well have prevented some injuries. To what extent and what kind of injuries, we can't know for sure.

    Now here's the question: When have you ever been in this situation? You may say, "It doesn't matter," but it really does if you're using it as an argument for helmet use.
    Very simply, the situation is that an accident caused their head to hit the ground. Should we wait until after accident causes our heads hit the ground to make a decision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    Who's anti-helmet?
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    You are.
    I'll post my stance from the thread asking for tolerance on the issue

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    What's my position? Well, live and let live. Let people make their own choices and if you don't agree with them, try to learn about why they made the decision they did, particularly if it doesn't make sense to you.

    I believe bicycle helmets provide the protection they were designed, made, and tested to uphold.
    you show me where I've posted that I'm against helmets
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    Quote Originally Posted by San Rensho View Post
    look at how many heads hit the pavement and tell me with a straight face that if they had not been wearing helmets, their head injuries (or lack thereof) would have been the same. Tell me that wearing a helmet didn't lessen thier injuries.


    Everyone knows that helmets only protect you if you are going 14 miles per hour or less...I read that today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfmckenna View Post
    Actually look at the neck rotation on that one hit, the guy in the spotty jersey.

    Would his neck have rotated without a helmet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfmckenna View Post
    Actually look at the neck rotation on that one hit, the guy in the spotty jersey.
    I don't see the rotation. All I see is a big hit of his head on the ground, a big bounce and the helmet coming partially off.
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    So... by the logic that caused this thread all motorists should wear a helmet because NASCAR & other motor sport drivers do and it's helped them in crashes.
    Fugly crash though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by San Rensho View Post
    look at how many heads hit the pavement and tell me with a straight face that if they had not been wearing helmets, their head injuries (or lack thereof) would have been the same. Tell me that wearing a helmet didn't lessen thier injuries.


    I'll bet those involved were pissed that they had helmets on and if given the chance to take that blow without a helmet would have chosen to remain without a helmet.

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    How many of them do you think where their lids going to the corner store or training for that matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
    Would his neck have rotated without a helmet?
    Who knows, look right at 1:01. But when those pointy shards that stick out of helmets, because I guess marketing departments think they look cool, hit the ground you can get some nice leverage. Not trying to say that it's worse.
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    This is a typical example of the pro-helmet brigade's propaganda, in my view. "look at that, doesn't it look awful. someone would surely have died if they hadn't been wearing helmets".

    Er, who knows? Since we don't have a control group reconstructing the same crash without lids, we have no way of knowing what would have occurred. And this isn't just sophistry. As I have posted on another thread, I have hit another vehicle, headfirst, at approaching fifteen miles an hour and suffered no significant damage despite not wearing a helmet. Had I done so helmeted, I might well have assumed, quite wrongly, that my escaping injury was to the helmet's credit.

    In this instance, look at Cavendish. Despite the speed, despite the force with which he hits the road, he doesn't seem to sustain much of an impact to the head. These things aren't simple.

    In any event, looking at individual incidents and trying to draw general conclusions is always flawed. The fact is that the increase in helmet usage here in the UK has not resulted in any discernible reduction in head injuries. So even if they have saved some people on some occasions - which I am certainly prepared to concede - they haven't reduced the risk. I don't think anybody understands why. I do think that many cyclists and parents of cyclists place a ludicrous amount of faith in a helmet's ability to protect them and their children, and I know for a fact that the chances of an unhelmeted cyclist sustaining a serious head injury are very small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    I'll post my stance from the thread asking for tolerance on the issue



    you show me where I've posted that I'm against helmets
    You have argued that helmets cause more extensive injuries because of increased rotation forces, you have argued that statistically, there are more injuries in helmet wearing populations than in those that don't wear helmets. But of course you are going to say that the previous positions do not make you anti helmet.
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