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Reading the comments I came across this:
The above is in reference to putting BL between the curb and parked cars.
Actually the solution is easy... you leave off a couple of parking spaces at the intersection and make a right turn only lane where motorists have to pull in and merge with bike traffic... the RTOL allows motorists to slow down, look for approaching cyclists and then merge and turn.
If there was a row of parked cars between the bikes and auto traffic, how do you propose an auto making a right turn (or left for that matter) should yield to a bike they cannot see? Car/bike accidents occur most frequently when a car turns in the path of a bike. The crux of the issue is enabling automobile drivers to be fully aware of bikes as they drive, and designing our roadways in such a way it is as easy as possible for autos and bikes to identify one another visually. "Hiding" bikes behind parked cars will not promote safer co-existence on the roads.
Actually the solution is easy... you leave off a couple of parking spaces at the intersection and make a right turn only lane where motorists have to pull in and merge with bike traffic... the RTOL allows motorists to slow down, look for approaching cyclists and then merge and turn.
07-29-10, 12:21 PM
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I like the comments about "Where's his helmet?" The mayor broke his elbow.
07-29-10, 12:23 PM
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Reading the comments I came across this:
The above is in reference to putting BL between the curb and parked cars.
Actually the solution is easy... you leave off a couple of parking spaces at the intersection and make a right turn only lane where motorists have to pull in and merge with bike traffic... the RTOL allows motorists to slow down, look for approaching cyclists and then merge and turn.
The above is in reference to putting BL between the curb and parked cars.
Actually the solution is easy... you leave off a couple of parking spaces at the intersection and make a right turn only lane where motorists have to pull in and merge with bike traffic... the RTOL allows motorists to slow down, look for approaching cyclists and then merge and turn.
To get back on track, consider that the cab driver who hit the mayor neglected to look in his mirror for a bike in the conventional bike lane. The further a bike is from the normal flow of traffic, the less likely a motorist is to notice them; driving is a process of filtering out the irrelevant from the dangerous and things outside the normal flow patterns just don't get past the filter.
07-30-10, 05:01 AM
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Reading the comments I came across this:
The above is in reference to putting BL between the curb and parked cars.
Actually the solution is easy... you leave off a couple of parking spaces at the intersection and make a right turn only lane where motorists have to pull in and merge with bike traffic... the RTOL allows motorists to slow down, look for approaching cyclists and then merge and turn.
The above is in reference to putting BL between the curb and parked cars.
Actually the solution is easy... you leave off a couple of parking spaces at the intersection and make a right turn only lane where motorists have to pull in and merge with bike traffic... the RTOL allows motorists to slow down, look for approaching cyclists and then merge and turn.
EDIT: Unless you put a divided 2 way bike lane on one side of the road, but there's another host of issues with that.
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I'm not sure it is quite that easy. When I'm coming along at 25 mph and a car has slowed to 10 mph to prepare to turn right, it is likely to ignore my right-of-way and just bludgeon its way into my lane. I prefer to not be hidden behind a row of stored steel monstrosities. Also, a left-turning motorist will not be likely to look to the side of the line of parked cars before turning in front of oncoming cyclists. These "cycletracks" also don't accommodate left turning bicycles without requiring a double-cycle intersection wait. Overall, they are major fails.
To get back on track, consider that the cab driver who hit the mayor neglected to look in his mirror for a bike in the conventional bike lane. The further a bike is from the normal flow of traffic, the less likely a motorist is to notice them; driving is a process of filtering out the irrelevant from the dangerous and things outside the normal flow patterns just don't get past the filter.
To get back on track, consider that the cab driver who hit the mayor neglected to look in his mirror for a bike in the conventional bike lane. The further a bike is from the normal flow of traffic, the less likely a motorist is to notice them; driving is a process of filtering out the irrelevant from the dangerous and things outside the normal flow patterns just don't get past the filter.
My worry would be more about a passenger door suddenly opening and having no place to go but into the curb (unless you made it so wide that it was out of the door zone, but I can't see this happening in an efficient set up).
EDIT: Unless you put a divided 2 way bike lane on one side of the road, but there's another host of issues with that.
EDIT: Unless you put a divided 2 way bike lane on one side of the road, but there's another host of issues with that.
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