Officers seek bicyclists who hit toddler
08-05-10, 08:34 AM
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Absolutely, to do anything less is being as callous as the motorists that claim "I didn't see you" when they plow into you.
We all have full responsibility for how we "drive" and for watching what is in front of us, and for making decisions to avoid hitting what ever that may be in front of us... now if we could only convey that same message to ALL road users!
Personally, when I use MUPs, I slow and go wide around children and dogs... and announce myself to others. Otherwise, I go as fast as I can, within my sightlines. Courtesy to others is something that is in unbelievably short supply... we should all try to extend it.
We all have full responsibility for how we "drive" and for watching what is in front of us, and for making decisions to avoid hitting what ever that may be in front of us... now if we could only convey that same message to ALL road users!
Personally, when I use MUPs, I slow and go wide around children and dogs... and announce myself to others. Otherwise, I go as fast as I can, within my sightlines. Courtesy to others is something that is in unbelievably short supply... we should all try to extend it.
Can't we all agree on that?
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08-05-10, 09:01 AM
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Yeah but real fixie riders can brake with their legs, and typically do, as CBHI noted... it is the wannabe fixies that are the problem.
It isn't bravado hogwash unless it is for some stylish fad and no other reason... real fixies are track bikes and there is a direct connection between the crank and the rear wheel, with NO freewheel. You stop pedaling and the bike stops. (the effect is a bit more intense than that... )
It isn't bravado hogwash unless it is for some stylish fad and no other reason... real fixies are track bikes and there is a direct connection between the crank and the rear wheel, with NO freewheel. You stop pedaling and the bike stops. (the effect is a bit more intense than that... )
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Maybe Cleveland is different but in Chicago there are all kinds of cycling groups, formal and otherwise, from roadie clubs to the tweed riders to the CM types to, well, everyone. There's a web-based group with a very diverse membership that is where I would expect something like this to get posted. If a kid had been run down by a cyclist on a MUP here I would expect that 'community,' loose as it, is to get involved and try to find the culprit, at least ask if anyone had seen cyclists matching the description--vague as it was.
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Absolutely, to do anything less is being as callous as the motorists that claim "I didn't see you" when they plow into you.
We all have full responsibility for how we "drive" and for watching what is in front of us, and for making decisions to avoid hitting what ever that may be in front of us... now if we could only convey that same message to ALL road users!
Personally, when I use MUPs, I slow and go wide around children and dogs... and announce myself to others. Otherwise, I go as fast as I can, within my sightlines. Courtesy to others is something that is in unbelievably short supply... we should all try to extend it.
We all have full responsibility for how we "drive" and for watching what is in front of us, and for making decisions to avoid hitting what ever that may be in front of us... now if we could only convey that same message to ALL road users!
Personally, when I use MUPs, I slow and go wide around children and dogs... and announce myself to others. Otherwise, I go as fast as I can, within my sightlines. Courtesy to others is something that is in unbelievably short supply... we should all try to extend it.
08-05-10, 01:00 PM
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And a non-local would know that how?
Maybe Cleveland is different but in Chicago there are all kinds of cycling groups, formal and otherwise, from roadie clubs to the tweed riders to the CM types to, well, everyone. There's a web-based group with a very diverse membership that is where I would expect something like this to get posted. If a kid had been run down by a cyclist on a MUP here I would expect that 'community,' loose as it, is to get involved and try to find the culprit, at least ask if anyone had seen cyclists matching the description--vague as it was.
Maybe Cleveland is different but in Chicago there are all kinds of cycling groups, formal and otherwise, from roadie clubs to the tweed riders to the CM types to, well, everyone. There's a web-based group with a very diverse membership that is where I would expect something like this to get posted. If a kid had been run down by a cyclist on a MUP here I would expect that 'community,' loose as it, is to get involved and try to find the culprit, at least ask if anyone had seen cyclists matching the description--vague as it was.
Love the idealism though....too bad we don't live in Utopia.
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08-05-10, 03:22 PM
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YMMV, but I've found that stopping and waiting for the kid/dog/car to move around me allows for everyone to get on their way with the least amount of grief. It's like don't say anything taken to the next level.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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I ride for the surroundings. If I am on a busy Street I give as much room as I can to the cars so they don't need to cross the centreline to get by me, I make my presence known though and don't allow the to intimidate me into having to ho out of their way if I can help it. Busy parks I am usually in my lowest gear weaving through slowly, on a wide open run be it a quiet country road or a bike trail with a lit of visibility I will ride full out, but no matter what the surroundings defensive driving techniques always need to be used.
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