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Old 10-26-10, 01:49 PM   #1
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Minneapolis cyclist killed in bike lane by negligent right-turning motorist.

Police said the bicyclist and a Quicksilver Express Courier delivery truck were southbound on 1st Avenue about 2:30 p.m. when the truck turned right, striking the cyclist in the intersection.

The cyclist was in a designated bike lane on the right side of the road as he approached the intersection, police said.

http://www.startribune.com/local/105...oDEy3LGDiO7aiU

The driver, of course, failed to use his right side mirror before invading the bike lane.
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The cyclist is just as dead if hit by a negligent delivery van driver than a reckless teenager or a distracted old fool. If the police continue to treat Motor Vehicle Homicide as a petty offense, drivers will never learn.

The Minneapolis cycling community (of which I am a part) needs to take a page from the MADD playbook and hound the police, prosecutor, and courts with all the publicity they can generate. The media WILL cover any demonstration with 30 or more participants. Use the internet, picket the police department and the prosecutor's office space. Pack the courtroom.
Talk to the press, the radio people, and the TV folks. Use political ACTION and EMOTION (show the family, distribute photos, humanize the deceased cyclist). It works.

If MADD could do it, cyclists can.

This should be done in every location, every time a cyclist is killed. Stop whinning on the internet and put a stop to leniency for these KILLERS. Call them what they are -- KILLER, not murderers but ordinary, garden variety careless, negligent, reckless KILLERS. And demand appropriate punishment for their HOMICIDE. This was not an "accident."


WE are in part responsible for the low value that the Criminal Justice System places on dead or injured bicyclists.

Besides publicity, a first step is to demand that the Legislature delete "grossly" from the criminal vehicular homicide and injury statute (section 609.21).

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Police said the bicyclist and a Quicksilver Express Courier delivery truck were southbound on 1st Avenue about 2:30 p.m. when the truck turned right, striking the cyclist in the intersection.

The cyclist was in a designated bike lane on the right side of the road as he approached the intersection, police said.

http://www.startribune.com/local/105...oDEy3LGDiO7aiU

The driver, of course, failed to use his right side mirror before invading the bike lane.
The driver may have used his right side mirror and not have seen the bicycle.
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The cyclist is just as dead if hit by a negligent delivery van driver than a reckless teenager or a distracted old fool.
... you don't think you're actually adding something useful to the conversation by posting this everywhere, do you?
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it's just plain stupid to put bike lanes to the right of right turning traffic. Not only was the motorist negligent, but so were the engineers who designed and installed that bike lane.
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1st Ave and Hennepin are since they made them both two-way streets. While the old bike lane on Hennepin was far from ideal I rarely felt in danger while using it. I'm not at all surprised people are getting hit.

For the non locals - these streets used to be one-way, with a two way bike lane going down one of them. Now they are both two-way with bike lanes running between the sidewalk and the on street parking. At every intersection bikes are popping out from behind a line of parked cars. Horrible planning!
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...bike lanes running between the sidewalk and the on street parking. At every intersection bikes are popping out from behind a line of parked cars. Horrible planning!
It's the Amsterdam / Copenhagen model. Everyone from NYC to PDX thinks it's the best way to design bike lanes now...NOT!

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It's the Amsterdam / Copenhagen model. Everyone from NYC to PDX thinks it's the best way to design bike lanes now...NOT!

It was tried across the river here in Vantucky years ago, on McGillvray which is a divided residential feeder street, it was not a pleasant way to ride and cyclists stopped using it.
I hope that abortion near PSU is dealt with the same way.
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I hope that abortion near PSU is dealt with the same way.
Not according to this recent BikePortland story, it's still all the rage among urban planners:

http://bikeportland.org/2010/10/26/g...e-oregon-41572
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OP... "The cyclist is just as dead if hit by a negligent delivery van driver than a reckless teenager or a distracted old fool." Me thinks you generalize a bit too much. You're likely to piss off just as many as you enlist.
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The cyclist is just as dead if hit by a negligent delivery van driver than a reckless teenager or a distracted old fool. If the police continue to treat Motor Vehicle Homicide as a petty offense, drivers will never learn.
I'm sure the driver of that truck feels 1000x worse about the accident than you ever will.

Vilifying the driver will never bring that person back and it will only create more pain and suffering for everyone.
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He (or she) does have a point though. We sit here, and we complain to each other, but few of us take action. I'm finally got off my metaphorical butt today and started hounding the UC bus system today. I've been nearly run off the road/run over by them too many times, and others have as well. If we all didsomething, anything, we might be able to enjoy better, safer rides, and less of us would be taken out of life by negligent motorists.
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I'm sure the driver of that truck feels 1000x worse about the accident than you ever will.
OMG, the perp needs a life time of therapy now!



Driving is serious business, you need to pay attention to your surroundings. Damn right the driver should feel bad, and there should be legal consequences, also.

And of course someone working for a company named Quicksilver Express Courier is never in a hurry to make a pick up or delivery, and never distracted while talking to a dispatcher on the radio or phone...

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OMG, ther perp needs a life time of therapy now!

Yes yes, they did nothing wrong why should we punish them... we are a tolerant and just people are we not?! *smells own fart*
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... you don't think you're actually adding something useful to the conversation by posting this everywhere, do you?


Yes.

After 4 or 5 postings, you've see it. That's a start.

The cycling community can increase the societal importance of bicyclist death or injury.
That will prompt the authorities to act. And THAT will reduce the number of thoughtless drivers.
What MADD has done, we can do.

The life that is saved might be yours.
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Yes.

After 4 or 5 postings, you've see it. That's a start.

The cycling community can increase the societal importance of bicyclist death or injury.
That will prompt the authorities to act. And THAT will reduce the number of thoughtless drivers.
What MADD has done, we can do.

The life that is saved might be yours.
100% agree. What have you done, or suggest? The best I've come up with is emailing the bus administrator, she hasn't responded :<
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Yes.

After 4 or 5 postings, you've see it. That's a start.

The cycling community can increase the societal importance of bicyclist death or injury.
That will prompt the authorities to act. And THAT will reduce the number of thoughtless drivers.
What MADD has done, we can do.

The life that is saved might be yours.
Actually, what I'm seeing is a national trend towards building more of these 'separated cycle tracks'.

Urban planners and even a lot of so-called cycling advocates promote them by saying separating cyclists and motor vehicles is necessary to increase ridership among non-cyclists that are scared to ride in traffic, without informing all the novice cyclists they are trying to seduce that these designs are inherently unsafe due to issues at intersections.

Good luck trying to stem the tide of poorly engineered cycle tracks, you've got your work cut out for you.
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Yes.

After 4 or 5 postings, you've see it. That's a start.

The cycling community can increase the societal importance of bicyclist death or injury.
That will prompt the authorities to act. And THAT will reduce the number of thoughtless drivers.
What MADD has done, we can do.

The life that is saved might be yours.
The only activism that is in anyway effective comes about by groups of highly organized people working together to make their voices heard on a large scale.

Set up groups that meet regularly, and have clear leadership positions to prevent bickering. Instead of posting your rant, get organized. Don't think spamming a cycling board with that message is enough.
Infact, it's useless. Without going to the next step, and organizing people, you're wasting your time and effort and doing more harm then good, since you feel you're doing something, which keeps you from really doing something.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpZMfkDCe78

here's a video (not mine) of the bike lane in question. It seems there is room for merging cars, though a truck that has to make wide turns might not make the merge.

Also, I don't think cars are supposed to be parking over the lefter white line, yet many of them are.
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The only activism that is in anyway effective comes about by groups of highly organized people working together to make their voices heard on a large scale.

Set up groups that meet regularly, and have clear leadership positions to prevent bickering. Instead of posting your rant, get organized. Don't think spamming a cycling board with that message is enough.
Infact, it's useless. Without going to the next step, and organizing people, you're wasting your time and effort and doing more harm then good, since you feel you're doing something, which keeps you from really doing something.
We're fairly organized, we represent a very diverse group of people. Why not organize something here?
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Man, I don't know how many right hooks I have been subject to during my rides. Multiple right hooks on every rides. I think my slow speed helped save me from accident. It's not necessarily that the driver did not see the cyclist. Some drivers (in fact, many) saw the cyclist on their right but just wants to pass him during the turn because they are in such a hurry to drive to God-knows-where, and they don't like that the bike is slower than their cars.

P.S. Just because one is a highly skilled and experienced cyclist doesn't mean you are less likely to have an accident. Even a small impact can cause a fatal accident, because that small impact can cause the bike lose balance; once losing balance, the bike can fall in any direction, any way. You can fall under the wheel, in front of a coming car, or your head hit the ground, etc. etc. I knew this because I once fell behind a bus when the bus stopped in front of me. It was a very "mild" fall, but both my bike and me fell on the street, basket dented, handlebar twisted a little, and I got bad bruises on my leg. Thank God no car is running behind me.

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I knew it would happen, despite being in a bike lane.
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OMG, the perp needs a life time of therapy now!

Yea, they probably do.

Grabbing pitchforks and chasing after them isn't going to do any good to anyone still on the road. Attacking one person who was unlucky enough to have done what every single person, on a bike, on their feet, in a car has been guilty of on multiple occasions, a moment of inattentiveness. That person has to live with the fact that they've killed someone when anyone could at one time or another have been in that same boat should the right set of circumstances occurred.

Obviously more attentive drivers would be a good thing. Everyone should be aware of the responsibility they undertake behind the wheel, go ahead, fight for that, but to be screaming "KILLERS" "HOMICIDE" is just playing on some convoluted sense of moral superiority for having been lucky.
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Accidents happen, we're helpless todo anything! I feel like I need therapy now.
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