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Old 11-16-10, 09:23 PM   #1
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is drafting some random cylist considered rude?
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Old 11-16-10, 09:43 PM   #2
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Old 11-16-10, 09:48 PM   #3
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Old 11-16-10, 10:04 PM   #4
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Old 11-16-10, 11:11 PM   #5
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I would consider hitting the brakes hard to be a reasonable response.
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I would do the same thing I do in the car when being followed too close. Slow very gradually until they pass.
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Old 11-17-10, 04:56 AM   #7
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Yes. I never do it and if someone tries to draft me, I slow way down.
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Absolutely.

Drafting is one of those things where the participating draftees need to be in agreement, and working together by common consent... and you'd better be ready to go to the front and do your fair share of work.

What you're describing is not drafting... it's "wheelsucking," and that's not meant in a friendly manner.
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I would do the same thing I do in the car when being followed too close. Slow very gradually until they pass.
I'll never understand why people do this. Just be confident in your own ability to not hit anything and pay attention enough that you don't need to slam on your brakes, and all is good. What goes on behind you is unimportant. If there is another lane to your right, it is your obligation to pull in to it and leave let the other driver continue on at his chosen speed, since each successive lane from the right is a "passing" lane. If you ever see a car passing you on your right, then as we say here on bike forums, "you're doing it wrong."

Now, on bikes it's different because to draft you have to be really close and people can and do touch wheels and go down. But in a car this is not an issue. The car in your rearview mirror is not that close, probably a good five feet further back than you think it is.

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I think its rude. In all my biking I've only had one person ask if it was okay and then thanked me when we went different ways. Everyone else has been a complete d*ck. It usually starts because I've passed them. Then they jump on my wheel and ride way too aggresively on my rear. Recently some jerk was lapping my back wheel and squeezing me into pot holes. Unless you can drop them, slowing down seems to be the best response.
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I think its rude. In all my biking I've only had one person ask if it was okay and then thanked me when we went different ways. Everyone else has been a complete d*ck. It usually starts because I've passed them. Then they jump on my wheel and ride way too aggresively on my rear. Recently some jerk was lapping my back wheel and squeezing me into pot holes. Unless you can drop them, slowing down seems to be the best response.
Blowing a snot rocket is better.
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Rude AND dangerous. You have no idea that the person ahead even knows you are there, nor have you any idea of the skill level of the cyclist ahead of you and your range of vision is at least partially blocked.
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Blowing a snot rocket is better.
I have a lot of gas when I ride too.
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I'll never understand why people do this. Just be confident in your own ability to not hit anything and pay attention enough that you don't need to slam on your brakes, and all is good. What goes on behind you is unimportant
Until you DO need to hit your brakes. You don't know why you might have to brake, it could be bumper to bumper traffic, a pedestrian, anything. Why not just let the person go around? Far easier.

Secondly, if someone follows too closely they have already demonstrated they are a poor driver to be avoided. Just like someone who is weaving around or exhibiting other dangerous behavior. let them have room and stay away.

(edit: oh the passing lane is a different issue entirely, No one is advocating slowing others down while you are in the passing lane)

Three times someone not been paying attention and hit me from behind in stop and go traffic. And never once did I "slam" on the brakes, just normal braking.
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Old 11-17-10, 09:14 AM   #15
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Geez people, drafting really gets you worked up. I don't care if anyone drafts me. There is no way they are going to crash me if they mess up. Only they are going to go down if they run up my wheel.
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I'll never understand why people do this. Just be confident in your own ability to not hit anything and pay attention enough that you don't need to slam on your brakes, and all is good. What goes on behind you is unimportant.
Incorrect. Having people tailgating you means you have a much smaller margin to be able to react to things ahead of you. Of course, the tailgater also has a smaller margin to be able to react to people ahead slowing down (for any reason). They also might be driving close enough to miss important cues like brake lights.
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Old 11-17-10, 01:01 PM   #17
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No. You can draft me anytime, just learn the hand signals used for group cycling and watch for such signals.

I would rather have you drafting me than racing to get ahead of me, then slowing down to a lower mph than I was going in the first place. If that happens, I will get a rest by drafting the offender and when well rested, I will drop the guy. The next day, I get to read the guys post ranting about the cyclist that drafted him without permission.
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Is farting, while being drafted, considered rude?
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is drafting some random cylist considered rude?
Yes if you just do it. On the other hand, it's a simple and friendly thing to just ask if it's okay if you hang on to the other person's wheel.

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Is farting, while being drafted, considered rude?
No. It's the price the draftee pays.

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Incorrect. Having people tailgating you means you have a much smaller margin to be able to react to things ahead of you. Of course, the tailgater also has a smaller margin to be able to react to people ahead slowing down (for any reason). They also might be driving close enough to miss important cues like brake lights.
Not really, if someone were tailgating me, I would still have the same margin as I would if there were nobody behind me... the margin of error is all on the tailgater.
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I would consider hitting the brakes hard to be an *******-ish response.
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I'll never understand why people do this. Just be confident in your own ability to not hit anything and pay attention enough that you don't need to slam on your brakes, and all is good. What goes on behind you is unimportant. If there is another lane to your right, it is your obligation to pull in to it and leave let the other driver continue on at his chosen speed, since each successive lane from the right is a "passing" lane. If you ever see a car passing you on your right, then as we say here on bike forums, "you're doing it wrong."

Now, on bikes it's different because to draft you have to be really close and people can and do touch wheels and go down. But in a car this is not an issue. The car in your rearview mirror is not that close, probably a good five feet further back than you think it is.
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I could care less if I am drafted. Just don't be creepy.

I won't slow down to force someone to pass as I wouldn't want to be stuck behind them.
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I'll never understand why people do this. Just be confident in your own ability to not hit anything and pay attention enough that you don't need to slam on your brakes, and all is good. What goes on behind you is unimportant. If there is another lane to your right, it is your obligation to pull in to it and leave let the other driver continue on at his chosen speed, since each successive lane from the right is a "passing" lane. If you ever see a car passing you on your right, then as we say here on bike forums, "you're doing it wrong."
Tailgating is not illegal because it is rude. It is illegal because it is unsafe. A tailgater is likely to hit me if I have to brake suddenly. This endangers me, my passengers, and my property - I shouldn't be concerned about that? If I can get that driver ahead of me instead of behind me, I am now in a safer position. And sorry, but paying attention does not mean I will never have to brake unexpectedly.


Back to uninvited bicycle drafters: those of you who are saying to slow down until they pass are doing it wrong. The proper response is to drop them!


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Recently some jerk was lapping my back wheel and squeezing me into pot holes.
You don't have to let yourself get squeezed anywhere. Hold your line, let him adjust to your road position. If he can't or won't and you touch wheels, he's the one going down, not you. I'm not suggesting you make sudden moves to intentionally tap wheels and crash him; but if you ride normally and he can't keep himself from bumping wheels, then he's put himself in a position to cause himself to crash.
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