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Old 11-25-10, 07:42 AM   #1
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Hit and (attempted) run, lifetime ban from driving

19 year old kid without a driver's license rode his motorcycle under influence, over speed limit and with fake register plates. He hit two pedestrians (both survived, but with injuries). He not only failed to help the victims but also attempted to flee the scene. His motorbike wouldn't work so he tried running, but was detained by bystanders until police arrived. He also resisted the police, which added to his sentence.

Norwegian court decided yesterday that, among other consequences, he shall not be issued a driver's license, ever. I couldn't find an English source, but here's the Norwegian news article:

http://www.fvn.no/lokalt/kristiansand/article810933.ece

Judging by the incident, lack of DL is probably not going to stop him from driving, but getting him off the street will be easier if and when he does.

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Old 11-25-10, 07:54 AM   #2
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The punishment if it was in America:

$100 fine.
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"But it was an accident, why pay anything?"
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Old 11-25-10, 01:11 PM   #4
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The punishment if it was in America:

$100 fine.

...issued to the cyclist



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edit: cynicism fail. Not sure why I replied like that when the story involves pedestrians. I must have been hungry for turkey.

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Old 11-25-10, 01:27 PM   #5
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"But it was an accident, why pay anything?"
Because he hit 2 pedestrians. If he'd hit a bicyclist, there would be no consequences.
After all bicycles should be ridden on the sidewalk with other toys.
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The punishment if it was in America:

$100 fine.
You forgot the $45 court costs.
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Wow, $45 court costs, where are you? I paid that much in 1977! (My LAST ticket!)

It'd be laughable if it wasn't so sad (the imbalance of justice -- a ticket for running down a rider wouldn't add up to this in most places) -- my buddy got ticketed for expired tags, a $25 fine; by the time they got done laying the pipe to him, it cost $235! All the rest was COURT COSTS! He didn't do anything wrong, just got spotted for the tag (color-coded from year to year), pulled over, and written up. Nothing previous on his license, either.

It was itemized, too (so you can see how they defray costs for actual cases), with things like 'admin fees', clerk's time, DNA test, etc.
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19 year old kid without a driver's license rode his motorcycle under influence, over speed limit and with fake register plates. He hit two pedestrians (both survived, but with injuries). He not only failed to help the victims but also attempted to flee the scene. His motorbike wouldn't work so he tried running, but was detained by bystanders until police arrived. He also resisted the police, which added to his sentence.

Norwegian court decided yesterday that, among other consequences, he shall not be issued a driver's license, ever. I couldn't find an English source, but here's the Norwegian news article:

http://www.fvn.no/lokalt/kristiansand/article810933.ece

Judging by the incident, lack of DL is probably not going to stop him from driving, but getting him off the street will be easier if and when he does.

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I am so glad he was sentenced with a lifetime ban from driving.
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I am so glad he was sentenced with a lifetime ban from driving.
When it comes to him in particular, I don't feel much either way. That's more for people who actually know him or share the road with him. But I do like the idea of people being held responsible for their actions.

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Wow !! I'll bet that made an impression on him... no drivers license ever for driving without a license (among other violations). Sounds very much like some of our very left wing judges here in the states. Do they give you time in the time out room there too ?
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Let's see in NC (USA) roughly 25% of the vehicles on the road are being operated illegally, due to lack of driver's license, no insurance, expired tags or improper tags. Then throw in the DUI cases and you get somewhere above 30%. They routinely suspend licenses here, but it sure doesn't stop them from driving and wrecking. We have people with multiple DUI's on top of multiple DWOL. They seldom get serious jail time until after they kill someone and even then it is a crap shoot.

Until they can A) treat driving like the privilege it truly is and B) Put some serious financial and jail time into the enforcement as well as permanently impound the vehicle being driven(whether they own it or not) it will continue.

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Until they can A) treat driving like the privilege it truly is and B) Put some serious financial and jail time into the enforcement as well as permanently impound the vehicle being driven(whether they own it or not) it will continue.

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They make it too easy to get and keep drivers licenses because they know people wil drive whether or not they have one. Just before my daughter got her license, some bozo did something stupid and dangerous in front of us and she asked me "What do you have to do to get a license in this state?" I said "You have to be able to hold still while they take your picture; and they have a flash, so it won't take long."

The penalties for breaking the law have to outweigh the benefits. Otherwise, people will just risk it.
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They make it too easy to get and keep drivers licenses because they know people wil drive whether or not they have one. Just before my daughter got her license, some bozo did something stupid and dangerous in front of us and she asked me "What do you have to do to get a license in this state?" I said "You have to be able to hold still while they take your picture; and they have a flash, so it won't take long."

The penalties for breaking the law have to outweigh the benefits. Otherwise, people will just risk it.
And the willingness to enforce those stiffer penalties has to be in place, as well. It's tragic that, when stiffer penalties are on the table, our system of jurisprudence (I will NEVER call it 'justice' again) breaks down in application.
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