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    Last week NJ, now NY; Pol pushing ID tags

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/q...Abj6rrmCtW4zoM

    'Sticking' it to bikers
    Pol pushing ID tags

    By SALLY GOLDENBERG and TOM NAMAKO

    Last Updated: 7:05 AM, January 14, 2011

    Posted: 1:43 AM, January 14, 2011
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    EXCLUSIVE

    You may soon need a sticker to ride.

    In a bid to rein in rogue cyclists, all adult pedal pushers in the city will be required to get an ID tag affixed to their bikes if a city councilman has his way, The Post has learned.

    Eric Ulrich (R-Queens) says he is floating the proposal -- which would require a small fee -- because "there seems to be a double standard when it comes to enforcing the traffic laws. Bicycles are involved in accidents, unfortunately, across this city."

    He added that many cyclists don't have identification on them if they get into an accident because "they're in Spandex or whatnot."
    Councilman Eric Ulrich says tagging all adult riders' bikes would aid accident probes.
    NY Post: Chad Rachman
    Councilman Eric Ulrich says tagging all adult riders' bikes would aid accident probes.

    Ulrich says that many of his constituents are seniors and that "people on bicycles scare the hell out of them. Sometimes they can be an intimidating presence on the city streets."

    Cycling in New York is booming. The Department of Transportation is adding 50 miles of bike lanes per year, and DOT numbers show a more-than-100 percent increase in everyday bike commuters -- from 8,499 in 2006 to 17,451 now.

    But city cyclists don't exactly agree with Ulrich's reasons for proposing the measure.

    "Wearing cycling clothing does not prevent you from carrying identification. Almost all cycling jerseys have multiple pockets," said Andrew Crooks, 34, owner of bicycle shop NYC Velo, near Union Square.

    Implementing the registrations would be a waste, he said, adding, "It's not a good use of resources to re-create a system that already exists."

    Cycling advocacy groups said they'd lobby against the idea.

    "We're adamantly opposed to any legislation that would require licensing or registration of bicycles," said Kim Martineau, a spokeswoman for Transportation Alternatives. ". . .[T]he deterrent effect it would have on cycling would be enormous."

    Instead, the group calls for "better, more targeted enforcement" of existing laws.

    One biker saw an upside, saying lost or stolen bikes could be identified. "Right now, [recovered] bicycles just get auctioned" by police, said audio engineer Chvad Bernhard, 37.

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    what a joke
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    I'm confused. They aren't writing tickets because people don't have id's? That seems like a sorry excuse to me.

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    I thought you are required to have i.d. if involved in an accident or at least verify who you are.

    Also, if he has a problem with the "double standard" in enforcing traffic laws, shouldn't his problem be with the police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1nterceptor View Post
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/q...Abj6rrmCtW4zoM

    One biker saw an upside, saying lost or stolen bikes could be identified. "Right now, [recovered] bicycles just get auctioned" by police, said audio engineer Chvad Bernhard, 37.
    This guy may not know it; but even in places with bicycle registration, recovered bicycles still just get auctioned off. The police consider it too much of a bother to get the records and inform owners of stolen bicycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exile View Post
    I thought you are required to have i.d. if involved in an accident or at least verify who you are.

    Also, if he has a problem with the "double standard" in enforcing traffic laws, shouldn't his problem be with the police.
    Of course, there actually IS a double standard in that typically, a lot more enforcement is directed at motorists. What he's missing is that there are good reasons for that double standard existing. The fact is, motorists are much more dangerous to everyone else around them than cyclists are. So they SHOULD be a much bigger focus of police efforts and regulation.

    You're required to identify yourself accurately to the police if they ask you, I believe. You're not required to carry identity documents with you, because there is no law requiring you to always have "papers" just to go about your daily business. And unlike a motor vehicle, there isn't a law requiring you to be licensed in order to ride a bicycle. So no, you do not have to show the police identity documents if you're involved in an accident on a bike. You do have an obligation not to lie to them about who you are. And they may be within their rights to take other steps, such as briefly detaining you, if they feel they have reason to suspect you're not telling the truth.

    There seems to be quite the flurry lately of new bicycle regulation and law being written by people who have, at best, a shallow understanding of bicycling issues. I think this is just an indicator that bicycling is growing in popularity. Motorists are having to deal with more cyclists around them, and some are lashing out by whining about the fact that their life and society is changing. Boo hoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnemia View Post
    There seems to be quite the flurry lately of new bicycle regulation and law being written by people who have, at best, a shallow understanding of bicycling issues. I think this is just an indicator that bicycling is growing in popularity. Motorists are having to deal with more cyclists around them, and some are lashing out by whining about the fact that their life and society is changing. Boo hoo.
    You will see more of these regs. People are seeing fuel costs going up and they directly relate fuel costs to the cost of transportation. Very simply, some people feel that they are being threatened. When threatened, a common reaction is to strike out. They see bicyclists "getting away with something for free" and focus on them. Yes, it is a position of ignorance; but, you will see more of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert C View Post
    You will see more of these regs. People are seeing fuel costs going up and they directly relate fuel costs to the cost of transportation. Very simply, some people feel that they are being threatened. When threatened, a common reaction is to strike out. They see bicyclists "getting away with something for free" and focus on them. Yes, it is a position of ignorance; but, you will see more of it.
    Yep.

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    You will find the info in http://www.toronto.ca/budget2005/pdf...censingcyc.PDF useful in any arguments you may have with supporters of the idea. Thorough refutation of bike registration so-called benefits

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    I was at a bike shop in Brooklyn (either in or very close too Ulrich's district) the other day and they were totally clueless on this. It would probably help if NYC cyclists dropped into their local shop to help spread the word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert C View Post
    This guy may not know it; but even in places with bicycle registration, recovered bicycles still just get auctioned off. The police consider it too much of a bother to get the records and inform owners of stolen bicycles.
    Not to mention how much they like the profit from selling stolen goods.
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