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Old 10-18-04, 02:46 AM   #1
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Microchip ID - Adapt for cyclists?

This could be adapted for use as ID, can be scanned by paramedics or hospital/Doctor surgery staff, and have instant contact details, name, medical problems etc etc in case of accident or medical collapse.

yea?

http://www.clubplanet.com/content/ar...asp?i=507&t=14

There are a lot of ways to get good customer service in a club. You could tip heavily. You could become a regular and ingratiate yourself with the staff. You could get your friends or roommates jobs as bartenders and then mooch off them all night.


Or, if you're feeling particularly bold, you could get a RFID chip implanted in your arm, giving you VIP status, a debit account for your drinks and just a little bit of 1984-style sci-fi paranoia.


RFID is a term you'll be hearing a lot about in the near future. It stands for Radio Frequency Identification, and it's basically new type of chip that is already being used in consumer products around the world. It will soon replace UPC codes and anti-theft devices in retail stores. Even better (or worse), it can track where products go, and who uses them -– raising the hackles of privacy advocates everywhere (think of the targeted advertising in films like Minority Report).


Instead of sticking a RDID tag in a pair of shoes or a DVD, one nightclub is using them to tag people. The Baja Beach Club in Barcelona, Spain is the first venue in the world to offer tagging to its VIP customers.


Why would you want even your favorite club to implant a tracking device in your arm? Users can be tagged as VIPs, giving staff immediate information on what their favorite drinks are, if they're worthy of entering the VIP section and even act as a debit account for drinks, negating the need to carry any actual cash around with you.


Conrad Chase, the American owner of the Baja Beach Club told Sync magazine, "This technology will work on a global level; it will destroy the need to carry ID documents and credit cards."


A BBC producer went through the procedure. He described the actual injection, saying, "[the nurse] held up the rather large needle containing the microchip and inserted it beneath the layer of skin and fat on my arm. She pressed the injector and it was in."


If you want to opt out of the system, the chip can be surgically removed at any point.


While the chip has not yet been approved for use in the U.S., RFID technology is making major inroads. One of the big growth areas is a similar kind of chip implant for pets -– enabling lost animals to be identified and returned to their owners. And it's only a small step from tagging your miniature poodle to signing up for a permanent tab at your favorite high-end hotspot.
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Old 10-18-04, 11:50 AM   #2
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Bad, bad idea.

Practical problem - who monitors the chip? Are you sure your government will be friendly to you during the next 40 years? What is to prevent a government from converting the chip into the same as a criminal's electronic bracklet? What is to prevent a government from requiring all to be fitted with a chip and then use the chip for monitoring behaviors and administering rewards and punishments, ala fines, for whatever is current "bad" behavior? Hitler would have loved to have this technology to put in all the Jews.

Religious problem - Rev 13:16,17
"And he causeth all, both small and great, Rich and poor, free and bond,
To receive a mark on their right hand, Or on their forehead.
And that no man might buy or sell, Save that he had the mark,
Or the name of the beast, Or the number of his name."

This will be a problem for serious Christians.
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Old 10-18-04, 11:52 AM   #3
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Bad, bad idea.

Practical problem - who monitors the chip? Are you sure your government will be friendly to you during the next 40 years? What is to prevent a government from converting the chip into the same as a criminal's electronic bracklet? What is to prevent a government from requiring all to be fitted with a chip and then use the chip for monitoring behaviors and administering rewards and punishments, ala fines, for whatever is current "bad" behavior? Hitler would have loved to have this technology to put in all the Jews.

Religious problem - Rev 13:16,17
"And he causeth all, both small and great, Rich and poor, free and bond,
To receive a mark on their right hand, Or on their forehead.
And that no man might buy or sell, Save that he had the mark,
Or the name of the beast, Or the number of his name."

This will be a problem for serious Christians.

Shades o' 1984 man.

Did you happen to notice how easily this passed the FDA under Bush's command!

"Medical reasons..." riiiiiiight.
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They will insert a chip into me only when my flesh is cold and dead.

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Did you happen to notice how easily this passed the FDA under Bush's command!

"Medical reasons..." riiiiiiight.
Did you ever stop to think of the possible good/practical uses for such an item and or RFID in general? You need to loosen up the chin straps on the tin foil helmet and quit worrying that the goverment gives two shakes of a rats tail what your doing.
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Did you ever stop to think of the possible good/practical uses for such an item and or RFID in general? You need to loosen up the chin straps on the tin foil helmet and quit worrying that the goverment gives two shakes of a rats tail what your doing.
I used to wear a medalert bracelet... medical info in a similar device would be good enough for me... the last thing I want is an inplanted RFID.

Sorry, I'll stop worrying about the government when they stop telling me lies...

And I'm not just talking about the recent folks either... Remember that DDT used to be OK... and it just goes on.
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I'm a veteran, love my country, but my goverment scares me sh**less. Seen what it's like from the inside. Anyone that doesn't think that if the goverment finds it expediant to use certain technologies against the people it's supposedly there to serve they are living in a fools paradise. History shows this clearly. Ever heard of J. Edger Hoover. How about Joseph MacCarthy. Think things have gotten better since their time. Have you read the Patriot Act?
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Did you ever stop to think of the possible good/practical uses for such an item and or RFID in general? You need to loosen up the chin straps on the tin foil helmet and quit worrying that the goverment gives two shakes of a rats tail what your doing.
"Hi! We're from the Government, and we're here to help you!"

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Vets and animal shelters have been injecting microchips into animals for years... and scanning pets to locate the owners.Having it iserted is sometimes free and the registration cost runs around $10 One probem is they often get dislogded and wind up in some other part of the body.

Givne the choice of carrying ID or having some foreign object float around in my body.. I'd go for the old school method.

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We aren't animals. Why do we need to be tagged like one? Besides that, I like the little privacy I actually do have. The last thing I need is for the government to be following my movements on a blip screen. No thanks.

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In Texas, the government has put a magnetic stripe on the back of a driver's license and State ID cards. The stripe can be scanned to verify the information on the front. Bars and clubs have scanners to check id's for the true age of the id holder. The idea of the magnetic stripe was that a police officer could scan the license and be told that you are a white male, brown hair, green eyes, 180 pounds, 5 feet ten inches tall. If someone has altered the photo on the front of the license the scanner will tell the police what the original owner of the id looks like.

However, the magnetic tape could be used to store other information. Your blood type. Medicine that you are allergic to. Whether you are an organ donor. OR, whether you are considered a "bad driver", whether you have ever been arrested for drug possession, whether you are a member of the Democratic party or in some other way are "An Enemy of the State".

I had stopped carrying a drivers license when I was out taking a walk or riding my bike. A police officer appeared to have a stroke when I told him I do not carry an ID. He felt compelled to bounce me off his police car a few times to find out whether I was concealing an ID. So, now I find it "healthier" to carry an ID when I ride my bike.
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Bounced you off his police car?? Jeez, sounds like grounds for a lawsuit.
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In Texas, the government has put a magnetic stripe on the back of a driver's license and State ID cards. The stripe can be scanned to verify the information on the front. Bars and clubs have scanners to check id's for the true age of the id holder. The idea of the magnetic stripe was that a police officer could scan the license and be told that you are a white male, brown hair, green eyes, 180 pounds, 5 feet ten inches tall. If someone has altered the photo on the front of the license the scanner will tell the police what the original owner of the id looks like.

However, the magnetic tape could be used to store other information. Your blood type. Medicine that you are allergic to. Whether you are an organ donor. OR, whether you are considered a "bad driver", whether you have ever been arrested for drug possession, whether you are a member of the Democratic party or in some other way are "An Enemy of the State".

I had stopped carrying a drivers license when I was out taking a walk or riding my bike. A police officer appeared to have a stroke when I told him I do not carry an ID. He felt compelled to bounce me off his police car a few times to find out whether I was concealing an ID. So, now I find it "healthier" to carry an ID when I ride my bike.
Couple seconds with a wire wheel and a steady hand takes care of that magnetic strip. There's only one club in the area that uses the reader - and I don't go there. The clubs I DO go to I've been going to for years and have countless friends who can attest to who I am. The cops don't need the strip either - all they have to do is input the number and my smiling face comes up on the screen in their car (DL photo not a mug shot wise guys).

My take on the RFID? The government knows enough of my business they don't need to know my shopping habits and neither does Target or anybody else for that matter. My cat is chipped and that's the ONLY member of my family that's getting chipped.
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What, are we robots now? This is ridiculas!
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In Texas, the government has put a magnetic stripe on the back of a driver's license and State ID cards. The stripe can be scanned to verify the information on the front. Bars and clubs have scanners to check id's for the true age of the id holder. The idea of the magnetic stripe was that a police officer could scan the license and be told that you are a white male, brown hair, green eyes, 180 pounds, 5 feet ten inches tall. If someone has altered the photo on the front of the license the scanner will tell the police what the original owner of the id looks like.
Same in Ohio. My strip has a big gouge in it, and I doubt it can be read anymore. No chip for me; my SS number, phone numbers, etc. are on about every contract or form I ever have to fill out, not to mention that my movements through the city are picked up on various cameras all over the place. NOT that my movements can be tracked all the way from point A to point B, but that's only a matter of time. A chip is just going a bit (ok, a lot) too far...
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I had stopped carrying a drivers license when I was out taking a walk or riding my bike. A police officer appeared to have a stroke when I told him I do not carry an ID. He felt compelled to bounce me off his police car a few times to find out whether I was concealing an ID. So, now I find it "healthier" to carry an ID when I ride my bike.
Makes one wonder what the actual circumstances were. What was the whole story here?
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Makes one wonder what the actual circumstances were. What was the whole story here?
As if any explanation could excuse such behavior. sheesh

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As if any explanation could excuse such behavior. sheesh

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I know, I've never been treated like that, just trying to understand the scenario....
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I know, I've never been treated like that, just trying to understand the scenario....
Well FXjohn, as a long time Houstonian I could fill you in on a lot of things that HPD is fairly infamous for. Historically HPD and KKK were synonimous but that's gotten better, but in the past there have been "experiments" in the swimming ability of handcuffed illegal aliens in Buffalo Bayou, Teenagers shot and throw down weapons provided (When an officer was caught there was a little poem circulated amoung the cops that went "You'll have no fun if you throw down a traceable gun. For a happier life throw down a knife.). Some incidents where several officers were involved in shooting individuals wielding broken bottles (not traceable I guess), and recently a car full of off duty officers in a private car gunned down a middle aged black woman under questionable circumstances.

I'm not saying that the entire department is out of control and we all live in abject terror here. There are lots of good hard working cops trying to do a good job and make a positive difference amoung an ungratful populous and unapreciative co-workers, but the fact remains you just don't want to mess with HPD.
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Implanted ID verses jewelery verses an ID card...

While implanted sounds like great idea... and no doubt your dog or cat benefits from it; jewelery (ID bracelet) and ID card allow that I, the owner of my identity, have the right to surrender that identity information only to those whom I deem safe to do so.

If implanted, no telling who, what, and where the readers of said RFID type devices will be in the future.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you...
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you...
What??!! Whose after me??!!

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Are we not organic
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We are organic so why do we need chips in us.............well except for corn chips
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My bracelet should be enough in an emergency. We're spied on enough by the gubbermint, we don't need to give them the abilty to track us like a lost dog.
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As if any explanation could excuse such behavior. sheesh

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Dave; I'm wasn't present when this person got bashed around for not having ID; yes, there are a few bad cops but most are good...very good, and they'll put their lives in front of you to protect you. Sometimes though people are told by the cops to do something and they fail to comply and become belligerent. For these types the only thing they understand is rough behavior, their not going to suddenly become law abiding citizens because you asked "please" in your sweatest voice.
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