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View Poll Results: Should New Threads Be Created to Share News Items About Cycling Fatalities?
Yes - All news items regarding cycling deaths and accidents are welcome on BikeForums. If you don't want to read it, don't click on it. 49 74.24%
Yes, but only if there's a legal injustice to the cyclist (D.A., police aren't prosecuting, etc.) 2 3.03%
Yes, but only if the accident was preventable by the cyclist and it's something we can learn from. 6 9.09%
No. The news stories almost always convey very little useful information, so there's no point. 9 13.64%
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Old 10-18-04, 08:43 PM   #1
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Poll: Should News Stories About Cycling Fatalities Be Posted Here?

Recently there has been discussion whether or not it's worthwhile to create a new thread every time there's a news article about a death or serious accident involving a cyclist. What do you think?
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Old 10-18-04, 09:54 PM   #2
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I think that they should be posted if something can be learnt from the tragedy. The hazard that cyclists should avoid should be included in the thread title. If it is something that cannot be avoided by the cyclist like inattentive or drunk drivers, I dont think we can gain anything by discussing it.

If the death is of someone well known in cycling or on these forums, I think it is appropriate to share our grief and sympathy.
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Old 10-18-04, 10:37 PM   #3
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I voted for option #1, but I think there should have been an option for "Yes, but it should end up in the advocacy & safety forum only"

Reason for this are accidents, given enough information might teach us something in regards to safety. Given some drivers are just malicious a-holes, but many prolly just didnt see the rider for whatever reason, and that is what we should learn to build up on...if our lights dont get their attention or dont get the right attention, it would be good to know...if that stretch of road has a blind spot, we should know...stuff like that.

Hearing about it just to keep us weary enough to be alert is also a good thing.
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Old 10-18-04, 11:27 PM   #4
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Yes. It would be helpful if there was a single, permanent thread where the death notices could be posted. These stories can be valuable in several ways.

First, the facts of how the killing took place may help riders learn which situations to avoid.

Second, it will remind us to "be careful out there"...you can't be reminded enough.

Third, because many of the stories tell us about a driver who drove away, and left the cyclist to die; or got caught, and just got a ticket; or got prosecuted, but got probation instead of prison time, it will remind us that cyclists need to vote, and cyclists must remind their local politicians that they vote. If your district attorney treats killing cyclists as a joke, your town needs a new district attorney.
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Old 10-18-04, 11:34 PM   #5
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Often, I try to not read them...
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Old 10-18-04, 11:35 PM   #6
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I agree with the 'dont like it, dont click on it', but some are unessecary. If it is something that we should learn from or is a warning to us then i think they should be posted but if you dont want to read about it dont click on it.
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Option #1 Something the FCC needs to learn too.
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"If you dont want to read about it dont click on it" option only work if you know what it is about, so the it inst enough to give a title of "cyclist killed". Ths subject should be "watch for turning tractor-trailers" or "**** road unsafe"
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http://news.google.com/news?q=bicycl...oring=d&tab=gn

You can flood the group with topics about bicyclist being killed. Just take a look at google news for search bicyclist+killed

3 dead in 4 days, all hit by cars
KMSB, AZ - 44 minutes ago
... Thursday night, a bicyclist was killed by a vehicle that apparently ran a red light on North Columbus Boulevard; police say the driver fled the scene. ...

Bicyclist Killed; Traffic Snarled For Hours
WJXX, FL - 4 hours ago
The accident happened shortly after 8:00 am Tuesday, when a 76-year-old bicyclist, was struck at the intersection of A-1-A and Jacksonville Drive. ...

Safety urged after fatal
Exeter News-Letter, United States - 5 hours ago
... The accident that killed David H. Stoltzfus could possibly have been prevented if his ... Though he was an avid bicyclist, Newman said Stoltzfus wasn't wearing a ...

MAN BUSTED IN FATAL 'HIT-RUN'
New York Post, NY - 12 hours ago
October 19, 2004 -- A hit-run van driver who killed a bicyclist Sunday in Queens was arrested yesterday, police said. Mark Alcantara ...

53-year-old bicyclist dies in US 19 accident
St. Petersburg Times, FL - 13 hours ago
By Times Staff. CLEARWATER - A bicyclist was killed Monday morning after he rode into traffic on US 19 near Sunset Point Road. James ...

Bicycle Safety
KOLD-TV, AZ - 17 hours ago
... the rider's hat in the crosswalk; police tape marking the accident. Police say a driver ran a red light and killed the bicyclist. ...

Bicyclist killed in hit-and-run
Tucson Citizen, AZ - Oct 18, 2004
Peter Visconti III, 42, of East Seneca Street was crossing East Grant Road at North Columbus Boulevard around 5:30 pm when a westbound car struck him, TPD Sgt. ...

Rocklin police identify child killed in accident Saturday
Sacramento Bee, CA - Oct 18, 2004
An 8-year-old boy killed in a hit-and-run accident Saturday was identified as Emmett Jensen, according to the Rocklin Police Department. ...

Speeding is key issue in Atascadero
San Luis Obispo Tribune, CA - Oct 18, 2004
... It's the same neighborhood where bicyclist Rick Stanford was killed two months ago, and Campion, the father of a 7-year-old, said he's worried that won't be ...

Hit-and-run driver kills bicyclist
KVOA.com, AZ - Oct 17, 2004
Tucson police are looking for a hit-and-run driver who killed a bicyclist and fled the scene. The intersection of Grant Road and ...
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Old 10-19-04, 02:59 PM   #10
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Here is an even worse depiction of society's woes:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr...nG=Search+News

MAN BUSTED IN FATAL 'HIT-RUN'
New York Post, NY - 13 hours ago
October 19, 2004 -- A hit-run van driver who killed a bicyclist Sunday in Queens was arrested yesterday, police said. Mark Alcantara ...

Bicyclist killed in hit-and-run
Tucson Citizen, AZ - Oct 18, 2004
... Late Friday, a 48-year-old woman died when the motorcycle she was riding on was hit by a car on West Grant at North 11th Avenue, Valdez said. ...

Rocklin police identify child killed in accident Saturday
Sacramento Bee, CA - Oct 18, 2004
An 8-year-old boy killed in a hit-and-run accident Saturday was identified as Emmett Jensen, according to the Rocklin Police Department. ...

Hit-and-run driver kills bicyclist
KVOA.com, AZ - Oct 17, 2004
Tucson police are looking for a hit-and-run driver who killed a bicyclist and fled the scene. The intersection of Grant Road and ...

Who Hit and Killed a Teen on a Bike?
7Online.com, NY - Oct 16, 2004
Pain in the Bike Lane
Broward New Times, FL - Oct 13, 2004

... In April 2004, a 15-year-old girl in a charity ride was hit and killed by a ... He remembers that the bicyclist's back bore a huge bruise from where the van's ...
North State Briefs: Oct. 5, 2004
Record-Searchlight (subscription), CA - Oct 5, 2004

... RED BLUFF -- A bicyclist killed by a hit-and-run motorist in late September was identified Monday as Jose Manuel Muniz, a native of Puerto Rico. ...

Bicyclist killed last week identified
Record-Searchlight (subscription), CA - Oct 4, 2004
RED BLUFF A bicyclist killed by a hit-and-run motorist in late September was identified today as Jose Manuel Muniz, a native of Puerto Rico....

Do these people simply not care about another human being? How can they be so callous?
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Old 10-19-04, 05:33 PM   #11
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I too noticed a pattern of "hit and runs" involving cars that hit bicyclist. I think in those cases, it should be 2nd degree murder and/or 20+ years added to sentence for fleeing the scene.
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