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Old 10-19-04, 06:40 AM   #1
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[rant]On my way to work (by bike), some idiot cyclist came up behind me at a downtown red light and stopped at my left. When there was a gap in cross traffic, he ran the red. I caught up with him at the next red, which, again, he ran when there was a gap in traffic. Once again, I caught him at the next red, where he was weaving in and out of stopped traffic through two lanes to get close to the light. The light turned green and traffic started moving around him. I caught up with him again just before I turned off the street. I yelled, "You ride like a maniac. You're going to get yourself killed." He yelled something back, which I did not hear.

Cyclists like this give as a bad name in two ways. First, they needlessly annoy motorists. Second, when they get killed, people use their accidents to show that cycling is dangerous.

The irony is, all his cheating did him no good. I waited for all the green lights and still kept up with him.
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Old 10-19-04, 06:53 AM   #2
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I've also noticed that red light runners also seem to be the first on the footpath when the lanes get a bit narrow. You'd think someone that risk-averse wouldn't run red lights, would you?
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Old 10-19-04, 07:05 AM   #3
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This story illustrates something I have observed also. I find it interesting that these people are always easy to catch up with and pass. Does one have to be both morally and physically unfit to act this way? Or, more likely, these are newbies who have just started riding and see themselves as "rolling pedestrians" and continue a lifelong habit of jaywalking?

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When I was living and riding in California years ago, this sort of thing happened all the time. Now what's the big hurry on a nice Saturday ride that you have to blow any and all stop signs? It's even worse when a club ride of 20+ riders take over the road and ignore traffic laws. That's one reason motorists hate cyclists. All it takes is one idiot and one incident to turn us all into targets.
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Yep. I got a taste of this recently on a [dis]organized night ride.

http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=67103
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I see it all the time. He proabably yelled back something like "f-off" or some other unintellegent reply. Which is a typical reponse when they are told they are riding like a jerk off.
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Why even bother saying anything to them in the first place. It's extremely unlikely you'll get a positive response anyways.
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Why even bother saying anything to them in the first place. It's extremely unlikely you'll get a positive response anyways.
Sometimes even I get up on the wrong side of the bed and behaviour like that really burns my a$$. I can't speak for DC though...



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Yea I see the same thing all the time on the Dundas bike lanes here in Toronto and your right we wait for red lights and still catch up to them I normaly pass them by and tell them thier a piece of **** and giving us a bad name ,, I just can't say nothing ... Steeker
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Funny, if one cyclists does one stupid thing, cyling is considered dangerous. If a motorist does one stupid thing, it's an accident.
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Just yesterday, I nearly got run over by some stupid woman. Not a roadie, more like what I call a 'hippie menace' on a bike. Then she turns the wrong way, onto a busy 3-lane road, against the traffic, at dusk. I thought, well it's her skull. Total organ donor.
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Here in Fort Wayne Indiana about 2 weeks ago a 46 year old long time cyclist and former racer; well know person in town and amoung cyclist, died when he ran a red light. No one knows if he ran it on purpose or by accident; but I do know that I see many cyclist run red lights and stop signs, and ride around at night with no lights; someday it will catch up to those of you that do those things.

Most accidents are caused by human inattention whether car or bicycle or whatever; regardless at that moment for the parties in involved cycling or driving a car or whatever becomes dangerious; but are those activities dangerous? No!
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Old 10-19-04, 10:09 PM   #13
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...Most accidents are caused by human inattention whether car or bicycle or whatever; regardless at that moment for the parties in involved cycling or driving a car or whatever becomes dangerious; but are those activities dangerous? No!
Amen to that. Pay attention all the time, even if you are obeying all the laws. Obeying the law doesn't keep you from getting hit.
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( Amen to that. Pay attention all the time, even if you are obeying all the laws. Obeying the law doesn't keep you from getting hit.
Tom ) I totaly agree I look at all cars like they are going to hit me I become very aware more soo when chasing bike messnagers down Bay street but I find it really improves my riding skills and I look at car wheels to see if they are turned towards me in intersections...Steeker
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If you caught up to him after he ran all of those reds, he obviously wasn't doing it right. I often skip lights and signs so I can get way ahead of traffic when riding in a city. And yes, I weave between cars to get to the front, too. It works really well and I feel much safer when there's a pack of cars eight blocks behind me instead of right around me.
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We can only hope that the motorist think of the law obeying cyclist as the rule not the exception.
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If you caught up to him after he ran all of those reds, he obviously wasn't doing it right. I often skip lights and signs so I can get way ahead of traffic when riding in a city. And yes, I weave between cars to get to the front, too. It works really well and I feel much safer when there's a pack of cars eight blocks behind me instead of right around me.
You'd be safer taking the lane and waiting your turn, like all other traffic.
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You'd be safer taking the lane and waiting your turn, like all other traffic.
Why not just drive a car then.
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Why not just drive a car then.
If we want to be in traffic, we need to follow the rules. Riding along the right side of stopped traffic is iffy, at best, but it's arguably OK. I was responding to someone who said he actually "WEAVED" through stopped traffic. That's nuts.
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Running red lights is the single most stupid thing I ever heard of when cars are crossing through the intersection.
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You catch up with these people because you are a stronger rider - it has nothing to do with the fact that he went through red lights. He stopped at the red lights and then went ahead when the traffic was clear - thats the way all cars drive in Rome without any apparent impact on their accident rate. Watch the traffic around you is the first rule of cycling safety.
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[rant]On my way to work (by bike), some idiot cyclist came up behind me at a downtown red light and stopped at my left. When there was a gap in cross traffic, he ran the red. I caught up with him at the next red, which, again, he ran when there was a gap in traffic. Once again, I caught him at the next red, where he was weaving in and out of stopped traffic through two lanes to get close to the light. The light turned green and traffic started moving around him. I caught up with him again just before I turned off the street. I yelled, "You ride like a maniac. You're going to get yourself killed." He yelled something back, which I did not hear.

Cyclists like this give as a bad name in two ways. First, they needlessly annoy motorists. Second, when they get killed, people use their accidents to show that cycling is dangerous.

The irony is, all his cheating did him no good. I waited for all the green lights and still kept up with him.
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AND IT WASN"T ME?? that settles it, i'm gonna have to track you down DC , and run every light in front of you!!!

Why do all the self loathers yell at those of us who run reds, but not at those who ride on the sidewalks? Or those ghetto cruisers rolling the wrong way down the street? You're like old men yelling at all the whippersnappers "you're gonna get yourself killed" -- yeah, sooner or later, we all get our tickets punched. But when given the choice between running the red, getting ahead of traffic that's boxing me in, cutting me off, making my ride hell, or stopping at the light and letting the city bus that's behind me run me off the road when the light changes, I'm gonna run the light. You worry about your skills, I'll worry about mine.

And don't come back with that "you're giving the rest of us a bad name" "you're the reason people yell at me on my commute." Its BS. Singling out one person to serve as the scapegoat for why you're persecuted is ridiculous. "Johnny Cochran is the reason people think lawyers are rotten" -- its nonsense. Drivers bothered you before i started riding, and if one of them kills me, they'll continue to bother you after i'm gone. There's an inherent hipocrisy in your arguments though; You don't like me for riding differently than you do, and the drivers don't like you for commuting differently than they do.

Drivers needlessly annoy me. When one kills me, why don't you all use the accident to show why cars are dangerous? Because when they do, it won't be because i ran a red.

and they're right Daily Commute -- you did just catch the guy cause you're fast. Not as fast as me or CJ, probably faster than D.D.
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We should follow the rules unless the rules cause a safety (as opposed to a convenience) problem, especially in rush-hour downtown traffic. The thing that the guy did that really ticked my off was weaving through stopped traffic, and then getting caught in an awkward, dangerous, spot when traffic started moving. If you're going to sneak to the front of a line of cars at a red light, you have to be prepared to merge when traffic starts. This guy wasn't ready.

I'm entitled to tell him what I think, but my opinion of the guy doesn't ban him from the road. He's entitled to ignore me if he choses. And I'm happy that you yell at the sidewalk riders. They deserve it, too.

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And don't come back with that "you're giving the rest of us a bad name" "you're the reason people yell at me on my commute." Its BS. Singling out one person to serve as the scapegoat for why you're persecuted is ridiculous. "Johnny Cochran is the reason people think lawyers are rotten" -- its nonsense. Drivers bothered you before i started riding, and if one of them kills me, they'll continue to bother you after i'm gone.


You're right, it's not one guy. It's because of all the cyclists who don't follow the law, one at a time. I have too many fingers to count the bikers I saw doing their stop this year. It's only slightly better at stop lights. And then there are those not using ANY lights at night, going against traffic, riding on sidewalks. We have a bad reputation and unfortunately, I think we deserve it fully.
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Two buddies, my girl and I were on a downtown ride a few weeks ago and she totally blew a light. This truck came feet from reaming her. -_- I was SO angry. I 'talked' to her for a long while afterwards. I didn't run the light. If I had, I would have been road-burger.
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