Cyclist killed in Chilliwack, BC
02-16-11, 10:57 AM
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Cyclist killed in Chilliwack, BC
02-16-11, 01:05 PM
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I feel selfish, since I am glad it wasn't my friend who lives in Chilliwack, BC. My prayers go out to cyclist's family.
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02-16-11, 02:16 PM
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Here's a streetview of the location mentioned in the article, looking in the direction of travel. Speed limit is 100 km/h.
https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...12,282.32,,0,5
https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...12,282.32,,0,5
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Here's a streetview of the location mentioned in the article, looking in the direction of travel. Speed limit is 100 km/h.
https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...12,282.32,,0,5
https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...12,282.32,,0,5
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02-16-11, 02:29 PM
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A few more news articles:
https://www.theprovince.com/news/Chil...350/story.html
https://www.vancouversun.com/Highway+...601/story.html
https://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/va...ighway-1-crash
The gist of it is: riding in the middle of a 100 km/h four lane divided highway at 2:20 a.m., dark clothing, no lights. If those details are accurate - well, I don't think there is much else to say!
https://www.theprovince.com/news/Chil...350/story.html
https://www.vancouversun.com/Highway+...601/story.html
https://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/va...ighway-1-crash
The gist of it is: riding in the middle of a 100 km/h four lane divided highway at 2:20 a.m., dark clothing, no lights. If those details are accurate - well, I don't think there is much else to say!
02-16-11, 02:31 PM
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Makes me glad I don't live there -- those folks are HOSTILE! Been a while since I've read such venomous comments. (As a matter of fact, the last time was on "Land of Off-Topic" when internet-muscled, cyber-testosterone- driven morons were trash-talking cyclists on the road -- two out of three promised DIRE results the next time they encountered spandex....)
That thoroughly inadequate report suggests the rider was a ninja; guess we wait for more details.
That thoroughly inadequate report suggests the rider was a ninja; guess we wait for more details.
02-16-11, 04:03 PM
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A few more news articles:
https://www.theprovince.com/news/Chil...350/story.html
https://www.vancouversun.com/Highway+...601/story.html
https://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/va...ighway-1-crash
The gist of it is: riding in the middle of a 100 km/h four lane divided highway at 2:20 a.m., dark clothing, no lights. If those details are accurate - well, I don't think there is much else to say!
https://www.theprovince.com/news/Chil...350/story.html
https://www.vancouversun.com/Highway+...601/story.html
https://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/va...ighway-1-crash
The gist of it is: riding in the middle of a 100 km/h four lane divided highway at 2:20 a.m., dark clothing, no lights. If those details are accurate - well, I don't think there is much else to say!
Lets do the math. Speed - maybe 100 kmh. Distance needed to stop after seeing the cyclist in the middle of the lane (if he was even seen)? Not enough.
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02-16-11, 04:08 PM
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There appears to be a rumble strip cut into the left side of the shoulder and some large orange plastic fixtures often used to denote road construction. Was the shoulder in bad shape or partly obstructed, forcing the cyclist into the travel lane? Of course, the dark clothing and lack of lighting may still be the major issue ...
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02-16-11, 04:12 PM
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There appears to be a rumble strip cut into the left side of the shoulder and some large orange plastic fixtures often used to denote road construction. Was the shoulder in bad shape or partly obstructed, forcing the cyclist into the travel lane? Of course, the dark clothing and lack of lighting may still be the major issue ...
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02-16-11, 07:24 PM
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parts of the transcanada is off limits to cycling.
https://www.th.gov.bc.ca/BikeBC/restrictions.html, but the section he was in is okay.
anyways, this guy must have had one helluva birthday party - or a deathwish...
https://www.th.gov.bc.ca/BikeBC/restrictions.html, but the section he was in is okay.
anyways, this guy must have had one helluva birthday party - or a deathwish...
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02-16-11, 08:58 PM
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There appears to be a rumble strip cut into the left side of the shoulder and some large orange plastic fixtures often used to denote road construction. Was the shoulder in bad shape or partly obstructed, forcing the cyclist into the travel lane? Of course, the dark clothing and lack of lighting may still be the major issue ...
By the way, if you go back to that streetview link, and turn around and look behind you, you'll see what is under construction - the overpass that is given as the location of the accident.
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02-16-11, 09:04 PM
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The cyclist was an idiot if what the reports say are true. He's riding at night with no lights, he's wearing dark clothing, in the middle of a two lane highway - and not just an ordinary highway but a major freeway!
I've no sympathy for this jerk and his actions cannot be defended. The only thing I'm sorry about is that he was on a bike - which doesn't do anything positive for cycling at all.
I've no sympathy for this jerk and his actions cannot be defended. The only thing I'm sorry about is that he was on a bike - which doesn't do anything positive for cycling at all.
02-16-11, 09:24 PM
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Before the accident, several other drivers had narrowly missed the cyclist and the drivers of transport trucks had warned each other using their radios...
"Had motorists called 911 to report seeing the cyclist in the centre of the roadway and having to take evasive action this incident may have been avoided,"
looks like an old, and cheap, bike (when was the last time you saw thumb shifters like that?)
"Had motorists called 911 to report seeing the cyclist in the centre of the roadway and having to take evasive action this incident may have been avoided,"
looks like an old, and cheap, bike (when was the last time you saw thumb shifters like that?)
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02-16-11, 09:26 PM
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The cyclist made a lot of mistakes, for sure, but there are very few good excuses for hitting something with your car. You should be giving yourself enough stopping time to avoid the unexpected.
In this case, it's dark, so it makes sense to slow down and not out-drive your headlights.
The cyclist had reflectors and was travelling in the same direction as traffic. He would have been at least marginally easier to notice and avoid than a deer, for example. Too many people drive as if the road ahead will always be clear and dry. And when the collisions inevitably happen, I really hate the 'accidents happen' attitude that it's just an unavoidable consequence of driving a car.
In this case, it's dark, so it makes sense to slow down and not out-drive your headlights.
The cyclist had reflectors and was travelling in the same direction as traffic. He would have been at least marginally easier to notice and avoid than a deer, for example. Too many people drive as if the road ahead will always be clear and dry. And when the collisions inevitably happen, I really hate the 'accidents happen' attitude that it's just an unavoidable consequence of driving a car.
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02-17-11, 10:46 AM
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... there are very few good excuses for hitting something with your car. You should be giving yourself enough stopping time to avoid the unexpected.
... it makes sense to slow down and not out-drive your headlights.
The cyclist had reflectors and was travelling in the same direction as traffic...
... it makes sense to slow down and not out-drive your headlights.
The cyclist had reflectors and was travelling in the same direction as traffic...
We also don't know for sure the speed of the driver, but most likely he was going between 90 - 130 kmh. The distance required to stop could easily have been at least 200 meters.
What's the distance the van's headlights reach? 150 meters? Maybe 200?
While it's obvious all the facts aren't in yet, some things seem to make sense, one thing is a ninja cyclist shouldn't be in the middle of a freeway at 2:20 am.
I suspect drink was involved. I couldn't imagine someone sober would do what Rock did, but then again people do all kinds of stupid things
02-17-11, 10:52 AM
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* BTW, picked up the local metro newspaper this morning and the death made the front page.
Sub-headline assured readers that the van's driver was uninjured.
Sub-headline assured readers that the van's driver was uninjured.
02-17-11, 01:09 PM
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02-17-11, 01:25 PM
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But what are you saying? People with cheap bikes deserve death?
Sounds to me like the cyclist was riding legally. With that rumble strip and construction going on, he was riding FRAP. Is there a headlight law in BC? Even so, a missing headlight would be less of a factor in a rear collision.
I don't ride at night in dark clothing. But clown suits should not be the law.
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02-17-11, 01:58 PM
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Now, it may be that this cyclist really did have no lights ... but how sure we are of that depends on how carefully the police searched the area.
02-17-11, 04:21 PM
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What construction? As I already said - those streetview pictures are more than a year and a half old. Google Streetview is not a webcam.
If you want to see what it looks like right now then try this webcam on top of the overpass in question (looking East).
Yes. Headlight, taillight, and rear reflector are all required:
If you want to see what it looks like right now then try this webcam on top of the overpass in question (looking East).
Yes. Headlight, taillight, and rear reflector are all required:
(6) A cycle operated on a highway between 1/2 hour after sunset and 1/2 hour before sunrise must have the following equipment:
(a) a lighted lamp mounted on the front and under normal atmospheric conditions capable of displaying a white light visible at least 150 m in the direction the cycle is pointed;
(b) a red reflector of a make or design approved by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia for the purposes of this section;
(c) a lighted lamp, mounted and visible to the rear, displaying a red light.
(7) Despite any other provision of this Act or the regulations, a cycle may be equipped with a flashing red light that is of a make or design approved by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia for the purposes of this section.
(a) a lighted lamp mounted on the front and under normal atmospheric conditions capable of displaying a white light visible at least 150 m in the direction the cycle is pointed;
(b) a red reflector of a make or design approved by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia for the purposes of this section;
(c) a lighted lamp, mounted and visible to the rear, displaying a red light.
(7) Despite any other provision of this Act or the regulations, a cycle may be equipped with a flashing red light that is of a make or design approved by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia for the purposes of this section.
02-17-11, 04:38 PM
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What construction? As I already said - those streetview pictures are more than a year and a half old. Google Streetview is not a webcam.
If you want to see what it looks like right now then try this webcam on top of the overpass in question (looking East).
Yes. Headlight, taillight, and rear reflector are all required:
If you want to see what it looks like right now then try this webcam on top of the overpass in question (looking East).
Yes. Headlight, taillight, and rear reflector are all required:
I'd be in support of requiring new complete bikes sold or even shipped to a particular state or province to have the minimum lighting and reflective accessories. Just like those ridiculous wheel reflectors that come on high end road wheels... doesn't really hurt anyone.
You can't tell me that two blinkies is going to skyrocket the prices of bikes.
The line I don't like to cross is what a person has to wear being legislated.
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