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    Chicago Refuses to Track Dooring Crashes

    If we don't collect the data, it isn't happening.



    There are some unfortunate advocates here who claim doorings are overrated as a hazard, but how will we know without any real data?

    Advocacy group says untracked collisions are most common

    Jon Hilkevitch
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    5:39 p.m. CDT, March 20, 2011

    Traffic laws were recently strengthened in Illinois to create safety buffers for bicyclists who share streets with drivers, but state transportation officials are rejecting pleas from cycling advocates to keep records on what they consider the most common type of vehicle-bike accident.

    It involves, surprisingly, vehicles that are not moving.

    That's one of the reasons the Illinois Department of Transportation said it does not track accidents in which a vehicle door is flung open in the path of a bicyclist, even though serious injuries and at least one fatality have occurred in the last several years as the result of bicyclists being "doored."

    Kim Nishimoto, whose son was killed in a dooring accident, said she thinks IDOT's position that a vehicle must be in motion for a crash to be tallied is a mistake and a disgrace. Her son, Clinton Miceli, died June 9, 2008, after an SUV driver's door was opened on North LaSalle Street in Chicago. Miceli, 22, couldn't avoid striking the door, and he fell off his bike and was run over by a passing vehicle, according to police.

    As spring approaches, the Active Transportation Alliance, which is involved in efforts to make streets safer for bicyclists, pedestrians and motorists in the Chicago region, is launching a campaign to increase public awareness about dooring crashes. The group considers doorings the most prevalent threat to on-street cyclists.

    Informal surveys the alliance has conducted among its members indicate that more than half the people who bike on streets have been doored at least once, said Ethan Spotts, spokesman for the organization. But lacking solid statistics, bicycling advocates say they can neither prove a problem exists nor apply for federal and state traffic-safety funds to address it, he said.

    Full Story: http://www.chicagotribune.com/classi...2606142.column
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    doorings are rare my bike sits below the the mirror line of most suvs and never had that problem since i keep my eyes straight most doorings occur when the rider isnt paying attention or distracted and in most cases the driver catches the short stick as at fault
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sledbikes View Post
    doorings are rare my bike sits below the the mirror line of most suvs and never had that problem since i keep my eyes straight most doorings occur when the rider isnt paying attention or distracted and in most cases the driver catches the short stick as at fault
    Keeping my eyes looking ahead would not have saved me on a couple of possible doorings, only because I normally ride a safe distance from parked motor vehicles is what helped in those incidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sledbikes View Post
    doorings are rare my bike sits below the the mirror line of most suvs and never had that problem since i keep my eyes straight most doorings occur when the rider isnt paying attention or distracted and in most cases the driver catches the short stick as at fault
    Actually I would say that the reverse is true. I'm sure that most of here have witnessed motorists and their passengers opening car doors WITHOUT so much as looking to see if there is anyone approaching their car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    Keeping my eyes looking ahead would not have saved me on a couple of possible doorings, only because I normally ride a safe distance from parked motor vehicles is what helped in those incidents.

    +1,000

    The best way to avoid being doored is to not be where the door is. To that end, not only myself but the majority will not and do not ride in bike lanes that are in the door zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
    Actually I would say that the reverse is true. I'm sure that most of here have witnessed motorists and their passengers opening car doors WITHOUT so much as looking to see if there is anyone approaching their car.
    The last motorist who I watched opening their door became distracted by a personal item of theirs that happen to fall to the ground as they opened their door, only for them to look up after the door was fully extended. I have it all on video to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    Keeping my eyes looking ahead would not have saved me on a couple of possible doorings, only because I normally ride a safe distance from parked motor vehicles is what helped in those incidents.
    Yeah, you'd have to be a ninja... those who don't know haven't had it happen!

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    http://www.baycitizen.org/bikes/stor...ike-accidents/

    Scroll down to "Leading Causes: Speeding, Dooring, Turning"

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    Can't say about tracking... But here in Columbus, long ago, it was made illegal to open a car door into the traffic side of a street. At that time I thought it was an insane law, and it is not enforced, BUT it does establish INSTANT liability against the dork that pops his/her door open without looking.
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    "Kim Nishimoto, whose son was killed in a dooring accident, said she thinks IDOT's position that a vehicle must be in motion for a crash to be tallied is a mistake and a disgrace. "

    How does a cyclist get doored if their vehicle isn't moving? All doorings have a moving vehicle.

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    Is her state one of them that defines a bike as a vehicle? Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    Is her state one of them that defines a bike as a vehicle? Problem solved.
    I looked, and it appears it doesn't.

    (625 ILCS 5/1‑217) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑217)
    Sec. 1‑217. Vehicle. Every device, in, upon or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway or requiring a certificate of title under Section 3‑101(d) of this Code, except devices moved by human power, devices used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks and snowmobiles as defined in the Snowmobile Registration and Safety Act.
    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...eqEnd=30200000

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya View Post
    Chicago Refuses to Track Dooring Crashes
    The thread title is misleading. The issue is not with the city of Chicago, but with the Illinois Department of Transportation.

    This from a blog at Chicago's Active Transportation Alliance:
    http://www.activetrans.org/blog/dper...-dooring-crash

    Submitted by dpersky on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 10:36am
    Dear IDOT: A Dooring is a Crash
    Today, Chicago Tribune reported on Active Transportation Alliance's campaign to have Illinois Department of Transportation record doorings. We asked IDOT why their crash data doesn't include doorings. Their reponse, people aren't requesting that we track those crashes. We've asked and now we're asking again.

    It is a crime in Illinois to open a car door into traffic when it isn't safe to do so. As we all know, way too many doorings result because of people not looking before opening their vehicle doors.

    At our 2010 Annual Member Meeting we conducted a survey asking how many attendees had been doored. A majority of the bicyclists in the room had been doored. But these incidents will not be found anywhere in IDOT's data.

    Please contact IDOT and tell them to count doorings as crashes. Call (217) 782-7820 or write a letter to Division of Traffic Safety, Illinois Department of Transportation, 2300 S. Dirksen Parkway, Springfield, IL 62764.

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    Whatever, I'm pretty sure the majority of dooring incidents in Illinois occur in Chicago and therefore those statistics would need to be collected first by the city, or of course they will never be available to IDOT.

    Most doorings go unreported, so they're not going to be in anyone's database anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randya View Post
    Whatever, I'm pretty sure the majority of dooring incidents in Illinois occur in Chicago and therefore those statistics would need to be collected first by the city, or of course they will never be available to IDOT.

    Most doorings go unreported, so they're not going to be in anyone's database anyway.
    Yeah, most of the people who get doored never report it unless they need an ambulance. Frankly they're really angry about being hurt, take it as par for the course for belonging to an out-group and feel the law system offers them no proportional justice only a large hassle to get somebody a small ticket. So reporting dooring makes no sense to the cyclist and police will ABSOLUTELY refuse to track any crime because they might have todo something about it and that is hassle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya View Post
    Whatever, I'm pretty sure the majority of dooring incidents in Illinois occur in Chicago and therefore those statistics would need to be collected first by the city, or of course they will never be available to IDOT.

    Most doorings go unreported, so they're not going to be in anyone's database anyway.
    The Chicago Police Department (CPD) *does* collect dooring information, but cannot send it to IDOT because IDOT will discard it. Unfortunately, the CPD doesn't do that great of a job with its records and can't/won't provide it to the public. More on this on my blog.

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