Arnold S. vetoes Bicycle bill
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Arnold S. vetoes Bicycle bill
Damn.
BICYCLING:
- A Department of Transportation task force would be required to recommend ways to promote walking and bicycling under SB1381 by Sen. Sheila Kuehl, D-Santa Monica.
https://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/sto...11666081c.html
BICYCLING:
- A Department of Transportation task force would be required to recommend ways to promote walking and bicycling under SB1381 by Sen. Sheila Kuehl, D-Santa Monica.
https://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/sto...11666081c.html
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But he signed Safe Routes to Schools, so it's not a complete loss.
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Originally Posted by TrukTek2
What do you expect from a moron who drives a hummer.
What does a hummer have to do with anything?
Most of the bills he vetoed looked ridiculous anyhow. Reccommend ways to promote walking and bicycling? How about, "Get off your fat asses and exercise" promotion. That's about as dumb as the school food one there. Haha.
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A hummer has to do w a stupid or insecure driver. A stupid or insecure driver might not be a wise, self-confident leader.
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Actually you're right. The hummer has nothing to do with it. My post should have actually read "what do you expect from a moron"
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Originally Posted by TrukTek2
Actually you're right. The hummer has nothing to do with it. My post should have actually read "what do you expect from a moron"
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Not knowing the intracacies(sp) of California politics doesn't anyone seem to realize that ultimately all the bills passed eventually must be funded and that the funds don't come from some fairy godmother in the heavens? You the taxpayers who continually B----H about higher taxes should be in the front lines to call a halt to unlimited spending. Just cause it is supposed to be in aid of cycling hardly makes it a noble cause
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Hummer is crap. A lot of Americans killed in Iraq because they were in Hummers instead of armored vehicles. What is it good for? I think people use Hummer to bolster self-confidence but don't they know everyone else is laughing at them? Insecure and stupid, I guess you need both and too much money.
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As cool as it would be for the bicyclists if this bill passed, we all know California doesn't have the 'loose change' to fund something like this.
Americans killed in hummers instead of armored vehicles? The original H1 was THE vehicle the military used, no? Why on earth did they switch to the H2 when we all know the H2 was just a means for "every day people" to drive a "hummer." Blaming the hummer for those deaths isn't very reasonable.
Americans killed in hummers instead of armored vehicles? The original H1 was THE vehicle the military used, no? Why on earth did they switch to the H2 when we all know the H2 was just a means for "every day people" to drive a "hummer." Blaming the hummer for those deaths isn't very reasonable.
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Here is a link to a page with links to all of the legislative analysis by the House and Senate on SB1381: California Task Force for Bicycling and Walking
Bill Text: https://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/s..._enrolled.html
Analysis: https://www.legislature.ca.gov/cgi-bi...B&author=kuehl
Here is a link to the Bill and a page with links to all of the legislative analysis by the House and Senate on SB1087: Safe Routes to School construction
Bill Text: https://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/s...chaptered.html
Analysis: https://www.legislature.ca.gov/cgi-bi...=B&author=soto
At a minimum, you would need to read the last reports from the Senate and Assembly Floors to get a quick summary of what the bills entail. The historical analysis is somewhat interesting and offers up additional details that are sometimes watered down or built-on in the final analysis. As a former California resident with an appreciation for the fiscal issues faced by the Governator and state legislature, SB1381 was a bit open ended as written, heavy on recreational facilities, and somewhat redundant to existing legislation. I would also think that most of what is being sought would be something that could / should be addressed by local government and the existing resources already targeted for bicycle and pedestrian efforts. As for SB1087, good call to extend that program for another 3 years. Here in Cobb County Georgia, children are forbidden from riding bicycles to school... How's that for planting seeds for future generations of non-cyclists or more people who don't recognize the bicycle as a transporation mode.
Bill Text: https://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/s..._enrolled.html
Analysis: https://www.legislature.ca.gov/cgi-bi...B&author=kuehl
Here is a link to the Bill and a page with links to all of the legislative analysis by the House and Senate on SB1087: Safe Routes to School construction
Bill Text: https://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/s...chaptered.html
Analysis: https://www.legislature.ca.gov/cgi-bi...=B&author=soto
At a minimum, you would need to read the last reports from the Senate and Assembly Floors to get a quick summary of what the bills entail. The historical analysis is somewhat interesting and offers up additional details that are sometimes watered down or built-on in the final analysis. As a former California resident with an appreciation for the fiscal issues faced by the Governator and state legislature, SB1381 was a bit open ended as written, heavy on recreational facilities, and somewhat redundant to existing legislation. I would also think that most of what is being sought would be something that could / should be addressed by local government and the existing resources already targeted for bicycle and pedestrian efforts. As for SB1087, good call to extend that program for another 3 years. Here in Cobb County Georgia, children are forbidden from riding bicycles to school... How's that for planting seeds for future generations of non-cyclists or more people who don't recognize the bicycle as a transporation mode.
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Originally Posted by Phiber
Most of the bills he vetoed looked ridiculous anyhow. Reccommend ways to promote walking and bicycling? How about, "Get off your fat asses and exercise" promotion.
But I was just picturing this. A real short, 2 second commercial. Suddenly, some obnoxious, thinnish guy's face would fill the screen and scream, "Get up lardass and do something!" - and then just as suddenly the regular mind numbing programs would come back on. Kind of like a very much not-subtle subliminal message. That would be hilarious.
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Originally Posted by Diggy18
Yeah, how about it. Like they need some kind of official committee to make recommendations on walking?? Holy cow what a bunch of beauracratic crap.
But I was just picturing this. A real short, 2 second commercial. Suddenly, some obnoxious, thinnish guy's face would fill the screen and scream, "Get up lardass and do something!" - and then just as suddenly the regular mind numbing programs would come back on. Kind of like a very much not-subtle subliminal message. That would be hilarious.
But I was just picturing this. A real short, 2 second commercial. Suddenly, some obnoxious, thinnish guy's face would fill the screen and scream, "Get up lardass and do something!" - and then just as suddenly the regular mind numbing programs would come back on. Kind of like a very much not-subtle subliminal message. That would be hilarious.
And I realise this is off topic, but, the original Hummer is an armoured vehicle. In fact, it is, as was stated before, THE armoured vehicle. o_o The H2 is a piece of plastic crap. Don't go blaming vehicle, either. If that was true, why did the russian army get their ass handed to them by a bunch of peeps with spears, horses, and old guns? Hahaha!
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Yeah, but if Ahhhnoldt were to shoot commercials himself, boing "into character" for them, they could have quite an impact--and with people who need to see it. I think the Terminator could turn into the Motivator! Never underestimate the power of media mixed with fantasy characters.
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And further, he should film a commercial showing bike commuters and talking about how "They're not girlie men. Girlie men need their big cars."
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Even a girly man needs a hummer now and then! I'm not talking about a car that won't fit in garage, real girly men need that all the time.
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This bill looks like a waste of money for a state with serious budget problems. The bill does not appear to fund any actual cycling facilities. All it does is pay for a study on how to promote walking and cycling. Like people don't know about these new technologies?
One suggested Ad that might be recommended by this bill:
"Hey Californians! There's a new way to get from one place to another. It's called walking. Scientists at CalTech have discovered that the accerlerator and clutch feet, in conjunction with the body parts known as legs can be used to actually transport a person from one place to another without the use of an automobile! You'll be amazed that your legs are actually good for something other than 'giving it the gas'. What's more, with this new technology, you can save money on car expenses like gas, insurance, and registration.
Call your local community college to find out when classes are scheduled that will teach you this exciting new skill. And for those early adopters who have already learned this skill off of the internet, UC Berkley is close to developing an advanced concept that will allow you to go farther and faster than walking. It's called bicycling and although it's still experimental, scientists are confident that they can bring this new technology to you in the near future.
So, save some gasoline for Arnold's Hummer. Sign up today!"
One suggested Ad that might be recommended by this bill:
"Hey Californians! There's a new way to get from one place to another. It's called walking. Scientists at CalTech have discovered that the accerlerator and clutch feet, in conjunction with the body parts known as legs can be used to actually transport a person from one place to another without the use of an automobile! You'll be amazed that your legs are actually good for something other than 'giving it the gas'. What's more, with this new technology, you can save money on car expenses like gas, insurance, and registration.
Call your local community college to find out when classes are scheduled that will teach you this exciting new skill. And for those early adopters who have already learned this skill off of the internet, UC Berkley is close to developing an advanced concept that will allow you to go farther and faster than walking. It's called bicycling and although it's still experimental, scientists are confident that they can bring this new technology to you in the near future.
So, save some gasoline for Arnold's Hummer. Sign up today!"
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Originally Posted by Phiber
Hah, I like that.
And I realise this is off topic, but, the original Hummer is an armoured vehicle. In fact, it is, as was stated before, THE armoured vehicle. o_o The H2 is a piece of plastic crap. Don't go blaming vehicle, either. If that was true, why did the russian army get their ass handed to them by a bunch of peeps with spears, horses, and old guns? Hahaha!
And I realise this is off topic, but, the original Hummer is an armoured vehicle. In fact, it is, as was stated before, THE armoured vehicle. o_o The H2 is a piece of plastic crap. Don't go blaming vehicle, either. If that was true, why did the russian army get their ass handed to them by a bunch of peeps with spears, horses, and old guns? Hahaha!
um, if you're referring to the soviets' afghanistan invasion, the US was supplying the jihadi with weapons that were no older than a generation behind standard government issue. lots of which are still in use by Islamic militants fighting our occupation forces now. hahaha indeed.
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Originally Posted by supcom
This bill looks like a waste of money for a state with serious budget problems. The bill does not appear to fund any actual cycling facilities. All it does is pay for a study on how to promote walking and cycling. Like people don't know about these new technologies?
One suggested Ad that might be recommended by this bill:
"Hey Californians! There's a new way to get from one place to another. It's called walking. Scientists at CalTech have discovered that the accerlerator and clutch feet, in conjunction with the body parts known as legs can be used to actually transport a person from one place to another without the use of an automobile! You'll be amazed that your legs are actually good for something other than 'giving it the gas'. What's more, with this new technology, you can save money on car expenses like gas, insurance, and registration.
Call your local community college to find out when classes are scheduled that will teach you this exciting new skill. And for those early adopters who have already learned this skill off of the internet, UC Berkley is close to developing an advanced concept that will allow you to go farther and faster than walking. It's called bicycling and although it's still experimental, scientists are confident that they can bring this new technology to you in the near future.
So, save some gasoline for Arnold's Hummer. Sign up today!"
One suggested Ad that might be recommended by this bill:
"Hey Californians! There's a new way to get from one place to another. It's called walking. Scientists at CalTech have discovered that the accerlerator and clutch feet, in conjunction with the body parts known as legs can be used to actually transport a person from one place to another without the use of an automobile! You'll be amazed that your legs are actually good for something other than 'giving it the gas'. What's more, with this new technology, you can save money on car expenses like gas, insurance, and registration.
Call your local community college to find out when classes are scheduled that will teach you this exciting new skill. And for those early adopters who have already learned this skill off of the internet, UC Berkley is close to developing an advanced concept that will allow you to go farther and faster than walking. It's called bicycling and although it's still experimental, scientists are confident that they can bring this new technology to you in the near future.
So, save some gasoline for Arnold's Hummer. Sign up today!"
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My feelings about Hummers. It is a personal disconnect with reality. With a barrel of petroleum at $50 and no chance of reduction in sight , a silly economic move to put it mildly. As to funding Bike lanes, etc..A state responsibility..If implemented gradually it would spread out the costs.The time to save future alternative transportation expenses is when roads are rebuilt or consturcted. After the fact it is too late.
Oregon has done this I understand.California certainly should..Certain expeses need not be delayed..With our gasoline/transportion future as bleak as I fear it is; this is unwise.
Oregon has done this I understand.California certainly should..Certain expeses need not be delayed..With our gasoline/transportion future as bleak as I fear it is; this is unwise.
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Originally Posted by cyclezealot
As to funding Bike lanes, etc..A state responsibility..If implemented gradually it would spread out the costs.The time to save future alternative transportation expenses is when roads are rebuilt or consturcted. After the fact it is too late.Oregon has done this I understand.California certainly should..Certain expeses need not be delayed..With our gasoline/transportion future as bleak as I fear it is; this is unwise.
1)Requires Caltrans to engage in various activities relative to
bicycles and other non-motorized transportation facilities and
programs, and provides for a bicycle coordinator within the
department who is responsible for bicycle-related activities.
2)Requires Caltrans to submit the Blueprint to the Legislature
addressing measurable goals for increasing bicycling and
walking throughout the state, funding of facilities, and a
reduction in pedestrian and bicycling injuries and fatalities.
3)Requires all Caltrans' deputies, under Deputy Directive 64
(DD-64), to "fully consider the needs of non-motorized
travelers (including pedestrians, bicyclists, and persons with
disabilities) in all programming, planning, maintenance,
construction, operations, and project development activities
and products. This includes incorporation of the best
available standards in all of the Department's practices. The
Department adopts the best practice concepts in the U.S.
Department of Transportation (DOT) Policy Statement on
Integrating Bicycling and Walking into Transportation
Infrastructure."
4)Provides, through BTA, state funds for cities and counties for
bikeway improvements and maintenance, bicycle parking
equipment, bicycle racks on transit vehicles, traffic control
devices, safety, education, and planning.
5)Authorizes, through the State Highway Account (SHA), funds for
nonmotorized transportation facilities.
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Livingood..A couple years ago the governor vetoed a bill to require new road construction be required to build a bike lane where possible...This I expect out of a state as forward looking( so many of us have always thought) as California. I understand this is the law in Oregon. I expect that here. From what I see, we come no where close to that goal.
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Warning: venting ahead
Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't care about bicycles, walking or any form of transportation for that matter. I live and work in the California capitol and virtually all political observers agree that transportation is dead last on Schwarzenegger's priority list.
This bill would have cost less than $100,000 a year to fund. Caltrans annual budget is about $7 billion. This bill is less than a drop in the bucket: about 0.00001 of the Caltrans annual budget. If the cost is so minute, what's the point in vetoing it except to send a message that you're anti-walking and anti-biking?
As far as transportation in general, Schwarzenegger has thoroughly raided state gas tax coffers that were supposed to go to streets and highways and diverted them to pay for social services and education. Poorly maintained roads are just as bad for bikes as they are for cars. If you think California freeways are bad now, wait a few years when Schwarzeggers underfunding of transportation really starts to show up in terms of potholes, cracked pavement, rough patches and so on -- and not just in the car lanes, but in the shoulders too.
Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't care about bicycles, walking or any form of transportation for that matter. I live and work in the California capitol and virtually all political observers agree that transportation is dead last on Schwarzenegger's priority list.
This bill would have cost less than $100,000 a year to fund. Caltrans annual budget is about $7 billion. This bill is less than a drop in the bucket: about 0.00001 of the Caltrans annual budget. If the cost is so minute, what's the point in vetoing it except to send a message that you're anti-walking and anti-biking?
As far as transportation in general, Schwarzenegger has thoroughly raided state gas tax coffers that were supposed to go to streets and highways and diverted them to pay for social services and education. Poorly maintained roads are just as bad for bikes as they are for cars. If you think California freeways are bad now, wait a few years when Schwarzeggers underfunding of transportation really starts to show up in terms of potholes, cracked pavement, rough patches and so on -- and not just in the car lanes, but in the shoulders too.