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Old 11-08-04, 11:57 AM   #1
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New Safety Pedals

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Thanks for the link, but doesn't quite fit the bill. How are you going to accommodate clipless pedals?
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Old 11-08-04, 01:12 PM   #3
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well I think there may be one or two folks lurking on here that still ride platforms...
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Old 11-08-04, 02:03 PM   #4
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yeah i didnt think there would be a large following, though I figured most people visiting Safety forum would like to see'em.

More of a novelty item
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Pretty cool, but again I use clipless. Cool though.
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Very cool. If I still sported platforms, I'd consider them.
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The law in Quebec requires reflectors on bicycle pedals - why dont they put them on clipless pedals. I think pedal reflectors are a great safety feature. Since these pedals flash you will lose the benfit of seeing the pedals moving up and down - particularly if they only flash at one point in the pedal stroke.
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Interesting note on the flasher pedals. I think it's a well-intentioned idea, just not one that I will be purchasing, not to mention if you have a long commute, what's the energy loss/friction of the dynamos? I have a dynamo-run radio and that thing gives you some exercise -- not easy to turn. If you have to have reflectors on a pedal because of legal requirements, will reflective tape suffice?
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Old 11-08-04, 04:19 PM   #9
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The law in Quebec requires reflectors on bicycle pedals - why dont they put them on clipless pedals. I think pedal reflectors are a great safety feature. Since these pedals flash you will lose the benfit of seeing the pedals moving up and down - particularly if they only flash at one point in the pedal stroke.
There is not much room to put them on clipless pedals. However I think they should be on all cycle shoes (OK, perhaps not racing specific shoes)

The Shimano SD-60 SPD sandals I use have a small reflective patch on each heel. Too bad it isn't larger.

Actually to extend this, it bugs me somewhat how little cycling gear has embedded reflectors. Like helmets, gloves, jackets, backs of saddles, etc.. Sure some have 'refective accents' but these barely serve the need and yes one can add later, but then you have a 'hacked' look instead of a nicely designed integrated look.

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Interesting note on the flasher pedals. I think it's a well-intentioned idea, just not one that I will be purchasing, not to mention if you have a long commute, what's the energy loss/friction of the dynamos? I have a dynamo-run radio and that thing gives you some exercise -- not easy to turn. If you have to have reflectors on a pedal because of legal requirements, will reflective tape suffice?
Usually the reflective parts of your shoe will suffice.
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I haven't seen too many shoes withOUT a reflective element. There are reflective ankle bands you could wear.
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The law in Quebec requires reflectors on bicycle pedals - why dont they put them on clipless pedals. I think pedal reflectors are a great safety feature. Since these pedals flash you will lose the benfit of seeing the pedals moving up and down - particularly if they only flash at one point in the pedal stroke.
Here in New York all new bikes must be sold with reflectors on the pedals but I don't think the law actually requires cyclists to keep them.

I'd imagine most bikes here in the city still have them, left over from when they were new, but I rarely notice any reflection coming from the pedals.

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In addition to the little shiny patch on my Shimano shoes, I've added a large chunk of reflective tape to the back sole of the heel. This shows up better than pedal reflectors.
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I could'nt find the price of these pedals any way I tried. Anyone got any idea of how much they cost. As strange as it may seem to you, I use a platform pedal on my left foot and a Shimano clip on pedal on my right foot.
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Here in New York all new bikes must be sold with reflectors on the pedals but I don't think the law actually requires cyclists to keep them.

I'd imagine most bikes here in the city still have them, left over from when they were new, but I rarely notice any reflection coming from the pedals.

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The problem as I see it is that the flashers are red. How long would it take all municipalities to allow red on the pedals? Every law I've come across requires any pedal reflectors to be yellow.
I have two sided SPD MTB clipless pedals that I use, and them come with a set of reflectors that snap into one of the sides.
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There is not much room to put them on clipless pedals. However I think they should be on all cycle shoes (OK, perhaps not racing specific shoes)

The Shimano SD-60 SPD sandals I use have a small reflective patch on each heel. Too bad it isn't larger.

Actually to extend this, it bugs me somewhat how little cycling gear has embedded reflectors. Like helmets, gloves, jackets, backs of saddles, etc.. Sure some have 'refective accents' but these barely serve the need and yes one can add later, but then you have a 'hacked' look instead of a nicely designed integrated look.

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Ain't that the truth!! It is really frustrating that so much more concern is given in the design of cycling gear to being cool, than to being safe and functional. Even when they put in reflective piping it is miniscule. I think commuters make up such a small subset of the cycling universe that we don't really count in the marketing decisions of manufacturers. Personally I would rather be considered a visible dork than be cool and dead. I don't think there is such a thing as too much visibilty.
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I would rather be considered a visible dork than be cool and dead.
Or dead and cold. I am a visible dork. I could not be more proud.
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Ain't that the truth!! It is really frustrating that so much more concern is given in the design of cycling gear to being cool, than to being safe and functional. Even when they put in reflective piping it is miniscule. I think commuters make up such a small subset of the cycling universe that we don't really count in the marketing decisions of manufacturers. Personally I would rather be considered a visible dork than be cool and dead. I don't think there is such a thing as too much visibilty.
Actually, when you talk pedals, it IS more functional not to have reflectors on them. I sense that most riders that don't understand all pedals not having them are using flat pedals with clips and straps, or cages. My clipless pedals give me much more power throughout my pedal stroke than any flat pedal can give, no matter what attachments they have.
If you want reflective gear, get an Illuminite outfit. The make helmet covers, vests, jackets, cycling tights, pants, and socks, of Illuminite. When any light hits this, it lights right up. The only reason you haven't found reflective gear is you're not looking.
Also, while you're at it, please don't get so hung up on hanging so much safety visibility stuff on yourself that someone decides to make it all mandatory, ALL the time. It's not that easy riding for long periods of time above 20 mph with the drag of the wind hitting all kinds of loose stuff.
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Clipless babiieee.
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Actually, when you talk pedals, it IS more functional not to have reflectors on them. I sense that most riders that don't understand all pedals not having them are using flat pedals with clips and straps, or cages. My clipless pedals give me much more power throughout my pedal stroke than any flat pedal can give, no matter what attachments they have.
If you want reflective gear, get an Illuminite outfit. The make helmet covers, vests, jackets, cycling tights, pants, and socks, of Illuminite. When any light hits this, it lights right up. The only reason you haven't found reflective gear is you're not looking.
Also, while you're at it, please don't get so hung up on hanging so much safety visibility stuff on yourself that someone decides to make it all mandatory, ALL the time. It's not that easy riding for long periods of time above 20 mph with the drag of the wind hitting all kinds of loose stuff.
No one expects clipless to have reflective material, they are too small and below the foot.
If the reflective material is embedded in the garment, there is nothing flapping around - that is the point - once you add on later it looks worse and prone to falling apart. Yes I am aware there are some unique manufacturers who make fully reflective gear - but also realize how easy, minimal cost and with not impact to wind drag for Giro, PI for example to add reflective material to helmets, tights, etc. Helment cover, come on. For example in the Nashbar catelog one can buy dozens of socks and sock patterns. How many have an embeded reflective stripe around the ankle? How many cycling rain jackets have more than a thin strip of reflective piping. How many gloves have reflective patches? I just was shopping for a warm long fingered glove - only one had reflective patch and for other reasons did not work for me.

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Actually, when you talk pedals, it IS more functional not to have reflectors on them. I sense that most riders that don't understand all pedals not having them are using flat pedals with clips and straps, or cages. My clipless pedals give me much more power throughout my pedal stroke than any flat pedal can give, no matter what attachments they have.
If you want reflective gear, get an Illuminite outfit. The make helmet covers, vests, jackets, cycling tights, pants, and socks, of Illuminite. When any light hits this, it lights right up. The only reason you haven't found reflective gear is you're not looking.
Also, while you're at it, please don't get so hung up on hanging so much safety visibility stuff on yourself that someone decides to make it all mandatory, ALL the time. It's not that easy riding for long periods of time above 20 mph with the drag of the wind hitting all kinds of loose stuff.
1. I realize this is heresy for the those members of the Clipless religion, but I ride in traffic in the city, and I when I tell my feet I want them on the ground, I want them on the ground NOW! Every clipless thread on this forum has stories of people falling. For weekend joy rides they sound great. For weekday commutes, no thanks. I guess I'm just a platform infidel.

2. Believe me I have looked. Illuminite illustrates my point, of marketing over functionality. Even on their commuter jacket the illuminite stuff is all BLACK. I love my Hi Viz screaming yellow shell for day ware, So I would have to bring 2 jackets, the hi viz for day, and the Illuminite one for night. Why cant they make a shell that is totally illuminite, and totally hi viz?

3. I have already submitted to my first cousin, Gov. Schwarzenegger, State house bill 765-34, requiring all cyclists to have at least 7 different lights on their bikes.

4. Hey Lance, give me a break. How much drag is there from a blinky!
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I definitely am feeling noobish; I use platform pedals. I guess it's because I only got my bike two months ago and the only thing I've changed yet are the tires. I don't want to turn this into a flaming thread but can someone list a few of the benefits of switching to clipless? I know it's obviously much better for better use of energy but what about jumping not to mention I don't really feel like carrying around a second pair of shoes (I use my MTB as a commuting bike)
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I think most USA riders want clipless, they want the best in performing. And it shows... right Lance?

Bicycle in europe is a proletarian tool. Every day riders use platforms, but racers do have clipless. In Italia, I used platforms and clips, even the old metal ones. I did not know that every day riders used clipless until I was in USA for work visit. I tested them... They are not for me.

Now, in africa, I see most riders do not even wear shoes (owwww.) Many old bicycles have been
put pedals of wood blocks, better for bare feet!
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1. I realize this is heresy for the those members of the Clipless religion, but I ride in traffic in the city, and I when I tell my feet I want them on the ground, I want them on the ground NOW! Every clipless thread on this forum has stories of people falling. For weekend joy rides they sound great. For weekday commutes, no thanks. I guess I'm just a platform infidel.
I was once like you, a platform commuter. Sure there's a learning curve to riding clipless pedals, but then again how many times did you fall when learning to ride? I have no problems with getting my feet doen in a hurry. The unclipping motion is so ingrained into muscle memory so much that I don't even register a conscious effort to unclip, I just do.
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