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    How are your greenways?

    In the Bronx, we have the Pelham / Mosholu greenway system, which extends quite a distance, but some sections of it are a total disaster. Overgrown brush, holes, cracks, and idiots standing in the middle of it chatting rather than stepping to the side and letting cyclists / joggers / bladers go by.

    What are the greenways like in your area, or do you not even bother and ride the road?
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    The one nearby where I am is long (14 miles, one way), flat, empty and windy. It takes you out into the middle of nowhere, inbetween two towns, through farmland. Every now and then there are rollerbladers and dog walkers, but they are few and far between. I once did the entire 31 miles ride from my place, to the greenway, to the next town and back in 1.5 hours.

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    I've been riding the Lower Manhattan section of the Greenway.several times a week for the past few months. The West Side stretch from the Battery to Riverside Park is such a vast improvement over the days wehen we would cycle on what was left of the old (elevated) West Side Higheay that it seems like a minor miracle - and almost as good as it could possible get. Of course the local communities, Chelsea and The West Village, fought for 20 or 30 years to get this public space and has been deeply involved in it's planning.

    On the other hand. despite the mayor's claim last spring, we still have a long way to go before you'll be able to really ride the entire perimeter of the island. The Battery section is non-existant. The East Side is poorly paved, has excessive detours that are several miles long and some sections have absolutely no lights.

    Couple of weeks ago I took a ride out to the Rockaways where the Greenway was abysmal. One section had a hole wider than the width of the path and had an orange dunce cap in the middle If it wasn't for the NYC Greenway map I might have mistaken it for desolate waterfront rather than a Greenway. Same for Plum Beach, which was recently featured on NY!.It could be a beautiful natural preserve if it wasn't so littered with trash.

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    Stacy (or any of the other NY'ers) Speaking of holes, if you've ever ridden the greenway that runs from the former location of Caesar's Bay Bazaar to 69th street in Dyker Heights, there's actually a section with a hole in it (about three feet wide) that has the ocean running underneath it.

    How quaint.
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    The only greenway in my area is intended as a fitness trail,about 6.5 miles, and not really for commuting. Still, it is convenient for me to take as a connector to the road into work.
    The trail is well-maintained, smooth except for the expansion joints in the concrete. On Sundays it is very crowded with walkers, rollerbladers, families on bikes and unusable above 10 mph.
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    Ours just got underway, but in a few years it's gonna be really nice.

    I can reach the best stretch of our greenway in five minutes. It's runs along a major six lane highway, but it's protected by a safety fence and a large soil berm. The planners even built hills into it, which gives me a rare opportunity to climb. (Myrtle Beach is dead flat, so all hills must be constructed.)

    From a commuting standpoint, the greenway has enabled many service workers who ride bikes to get through risky parts of town with greater safety.

    I can't wait until the City secures more grants to build more paths.

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    The just extended ours. Tons of really nice trails out here. I have more fun on the streets, though.

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    In the Dallas area there are some recreational greenways, but there isn't much that one can use for transportation. One exception is the Katy trial, which will take one from the ritzy Park Cities through Uptown to a point just north of dowtown. There are some decent MB trials around here. Las Colinas has some, and I know the Trinity River greenbelt has some dirt trails. I haven't been on these, as my one and only bike is my commuter ride (folding 26-inch MB with slick tires).

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    Quote Originally Posted by vincenzosi
    In the Bronx, we have the Pelham / Mosholu greenway system, which extends quite a distance, but some sections of it are a total disaster. Overgrown brush, holes, cracks, and idiots standing in the middle of it chatting rather than stepping to the side and letting cyclists / joggers / bladers go by.

    What are the greenways like in your area, or do you not even bother and ride the road?
    greenways in brooklyn are usually the worst-paved part of the roads and seem to switch streets in order to follow the route with the greatest possible number of potholes and manhole covers. My particular favorite (not sure if this is technically a greenway, but here goes) is the Shore Pkwy here in Bklyn, where (aside from the sand and glass covered portions by Plum Beach) there is my favorite feature ever...a large, inflexible steel pillar deliberately planted on the apex of a curve where the path barely is wide enough to accomodate two bikes. Well, at least they painted it yellow, so I'll see what kills me, right?

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    That's hysterical. Never been there, but I'll be on the lookout for it now, although with the yellow paint, I probably won't miss it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vincenzosi
    Stacy (or any of the other NY'ers) Speaking of holes, if you've ever ridden the greenway that runs from the former location of Caesar's Bay Bazaar to 69th street in Dyker Heights, there's actually a section with a hole in it (about three feet wide) that has the ocean running underneath it.

    How quaint.
    Actually I got to the Rockaways by way of the Greenway that runs from Owl's Head Park in Bay Ridge, under the Verrazano, to the shopping center with Toys R Us. Those regular cracks are the feature I remember most Somehow it seemed the further out you rode the worse the Greenway got.

    And what's that nonsense about only riding on the Boardwalk between 5am to 10am? Nobody seems to care during the off season.

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    In Huntsville, AL our Greenway is very nice. The starting location is almost park like then for about 10 miles it runs along a creek and part way near some fields. Often see deer around the cow pastures. Every once in a while a cow will have some how gotten past the fence and will be standing in the middle of the path. Around the end it runs near the Tennesee River. I havent been past this one point. There is a large dock right past the boat loading ramps which has a bench in the middle with a great view. I usually sit there for a while before turning back around. If I had to guess Id say it goes another 2 miles past that. I believe its going to be extended pretty soon. Its really worth checking out if your in this area and want a easy place to ride.
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    Hennepin County,which includes Minneapols, has many miles of paved greenway. There are 2 lanes for the cyclists, and one for pedestrians. The pavement is in good shape, and the paths go through prairie, around lakes, and past urban gardens. The only down sides are the few neiborhoods where there is sometimes glass, and the winter cold.

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    Here in Nashville we're getting a pretty decent system of greenways, many of which run along side of the Cumberland and Stone rivers. In my part of town, I have about 15 miles of trails that I can get to in just a few minutes. Unfortunately, for the most part, Tennessee doesn't believe in shoulders (a stripe, two inches of pavement, then a precipitous drop) on the roads and bikes are still somewhat rare so on busy streets you are taking your life in your hands. My point is, getting to the trails is sometimes difficult without a car and rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iovnow
    In Huntsville, AL our Greenway is very nice. The starting location is almost park like then for about 10 miles it runs along a creek and part way near some fields. Often see deer around the cow pastures. Every once in a while a cow will have some how gotten past the fence and will be standing in the middle of the path. Around the end it runs near the Tennesee River. I havent been past this one point. There is a large dock right past the boat loading ramps which has a bench in the middle with a great view. I usually sit there for a while before turning back around. If I had to guess Id say it goes another 2 miles past that. I believe its going to be extended pretty soon. Its really worth checking out if your in this area and want a easy place to ride.
    Hmmm, in Houston the cows in our path are pushing baby carriages and/or just standing there talking to other cows.

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    ours are slowly coming along. http://www.leeparks.org/greenways/greenways.cfm
    when done I guess it will be about 30 miles, not great but better than nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacy
    Actually I got to the Rockaways by way of the Greenway that runs from Owl's Head Park in Bay Ridge, under the Verrazano, to the shopping center with Toys R Us. Those regular cracks are the feature I remember most Somehow it seemed the further out you rode the worse the Greenway got.

    And what's that nonsense about only riding on the Boardwalk between 5am to 10am? Nobody seems to care during the off season.

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    Coney in the AM is so quiet I don't mind taking surf ave. But I do have to go up and see the ocean. Now that I live in Kensington I'm about a mile and a half from the water, and that's further from water than I've ever lived. I go a little stir crazy being landlocked like this.

    Have you taken the shore pkwy to riis park? it's a nice ride. from the boardwalk in coney @ ocean pkway it's maybe a 15-mile round trip. and the atlantic is crazy to see in the winter...just chop and furious swells that make you wonder how anyone ever swims in the sea at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika
    Coney in the AM is so quiet I don't mind taking surf ave. But I do have to go up and see the ocean. Now that I live in Kensington I'm about a mile and a half from the water, and that's further from water than I've ever lived. I go a little stir crazy being landlocked like this.

    Have you taken the shore pkwy to riis park? it's a nice ride. from the boardwalk in coney @ ocean pkway it's maybe a 15-mile round trip. and the atlantic is crazy to see in the winter...just chop and furious swells that make you wonder how anyone ever swims in the sea at all.
    I took the Channel Side Greenway which was sort of a let down after the area between Plum and Gerritsen Beach but the Boardwalk more than made up for it. Yes the Atlantic is absolutely beautiful this time of year with white waves crashing up on the rocks creating mist in the grey sky. The boardwalk was all but deserted so I just peddaled my way to the Averne section and took the subway home. All in all I clocked about 33 miles from Lower Manhattan. Next time I want to try the route that goes up past Carnarsie to Howard Beach and JFK Airport.

    Probably the most amazing thing about New York City's Greenways is the incredible view and the range of terrain - from urban concrete to wetlands.

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    Is there some sort of map or database that tells where all the greenways are located? When I'm visiting friends in other towns, it would be nice to know where I could go for a pleasant ride. I guess I could call a LBS or email a bike club, but I thought there might be another way to find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntreader
    Is there some sort of map or database that tells where all the greenways are located? When I'm visiting friends in other towns, it would be nice to know where I could go for a pleasant ride. I guess I could call a LBS or email a bike club, but I thought there might be another way to find out.
    NY has a free and well designed map of paths, greenways and suggested routes. They'll mail you one, I think, and it is available from the city's website as a pdf.

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    After reading most of the replies to this thread, I feel very lucky indeed to live here in Spokane. Here's a link to our local Centennial Trail - The website says that the trail's 37 miles long, but it continues for about another 15 miles over the state line into Idaho and it's all in good shape: http://www.spokanecentennialtrail.org/

    In addition to the Centennial Trail, north Idaho also has the Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes, which is only about a half hour's drive from my house to the southernmost trailhead. This trail is 72 miles long, paved all the way, and is one of the most beautiful places to ride I can think of.....it's a rails to trails set up so it's mostly flat. http://www.friendsofcdatrails.org/

    Next, we have the Route of the Hiawatha Trail in northern Idaho. This is also a rails to trails set up, but it's not paved. This one costs you $8 for a trail pass and it's only about 15 miles long, but you go over a number of old railroad trestles and through a number of old tunnels, so you need a light on your ride. It's very picturesque and well worth the money. If you're tired at the bottom and want to take the shuttle back to the top, it's $9 and the driver and trail marshal that ride the bus point out historical sites and give you the history of the region, so it's well worth it. If you're lucky, you'll spot a moose on the way back to the top. The regular site is down right now, but here's a link to some pictures: http://www.magnusoncompany.com/hiawatha/photos.php

    The great thing about the Centennial Trail and the Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes is that because they're so long, there's lots of open space as soon as you're out about a mile from the trailheads. We rode a 45 mile section of the Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes last year and only saw one other group of 4 cyclists and 1 rollerblader. Whenever I ride the trails around here, I don't even think about overcrowding....Like I said, we're fortunate out this way.
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