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Old 08-04-11, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying Merkel
Statistics don't lie. The interpretation of statistic can mislead. The numbers look accurate to me.
They are.
Every statistical compilation of fatalities by activity Ive sever seen, jibes with this. There are slight variations, of course, but in the end the point is this: cycling itself is inherently safe.
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I'd suggest a call to either the sheriff's office or the state police. As I would say that a cop who is friends with someone being investigated is a clear conflict of interests......And that open-ended threat from the police also needs to be investigated by either the sheriff's office or the state police..
Wel, yeah.

But it isn't going to happen.

And after such a complaint, if you think he's having problems now, you're not going to believe the harassment he will get in the future.

Life's not fair. IMO, he needs to let it lie. You have to pick your battles, and this is not one to pick.
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Armadillos are only bullet proof to a point... Yeah, I like 'em too. Bit heavy though.
I've never had glass go through them. Goat heads go right through. I also had a small nail go through one too.
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Originally Posted by Chris516
Maybe not in San Diego, but it is certainly true in the DC-Metro region. Here they pretty much all have the 'me first' attitude.
Outside of the occasional on road harasser or internet message boards, I have a really hard time finding people who believe that bicyclists don't have a legal right to use the roads. I look for them too. I walk around town and even go shopping while wearing my "<bicycle symbol> MAY USE FULL LANE" t-shirt and almost nobody ever asks me about it and the very few that have asked did so out of pure curiosity. They didn't know but they also didn't presume to know otherwise which is what I had expected to find but didn't.
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Originally Posted by Triode
Wel, yeah.

But it isn't going to happen.

And after such a complaint, if you think he's having problems now, you're not going to believe the harassment he will get in the future.

Life's not fair. IMO, he needs to let it lie. You have to pick your battles, and this is not one to pick.
Fortunately the other poster doesn't commute through that town anymore. It's sad that we have to way future harassment against doing the right thing.
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Originally Posted by billdsd
I've never had glass go through them. Goat heads go right through. I also had a small nail go through one too.
Yeah, a few years back I was riding to Tampa approaching the Bayside Bridge when I picked up a piece of wire. Wasn't too happy about that. I think/hope that they're sandspur proof, but I don't want to test it.
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Originally Posted by billdsd
Outside of the occasional on road harasser or internet message boards, I have a really hard time finding people who believe that bicyclists don't have a legal right to use the roads. I look for them too. I walk around town and even go shopping while wearing my "<bicycle symbol> MAY USE FULL LANE" t-shirt and almost nobody ever asks me about it and the very few that have asked did so out of pure curiosity. They didn't know but they also didn't presume to know otherwise which is what I had expected to find but didn't.
Southern CA has a better clue than many other USA regions.
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I'm very familiar with the roads that cyclist was on. I'm kinda surprised of the road rage incident around there, people are laid back in our part of the woods. But I'm not sure the charges are going to stick even with the video.

1) No video of what happened right before the incident is public. It's possible the police do have it. Or it's possible the cyclist edited it out. If the cyclist edited it out, I guarantee you the defense is going to pounce on this.

2) The cyclist has a prior conviction for pulling a gun on a car in another state on another road rage incident. he was charged with going too slow (what kind of a charge is that) and brandishing a firearm 10-10-2009 Frederick County Virginia. Local newspaper pointed this out.
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Originally Posted by gpsblake
I'm very familiar with the roads that cyclist was on. I'm kinda surprised of the road rage incident around there, people are laid back in our part of the woods. But I'm not sure the charges are going to stick even with the video.

1) No video of what happened right before the incident is public. It's possible the police do have it. Or it's possible the cyclist edited it out. If the cyclist edited it out, I guarantee you the defense is going to pounce on this.

2) The cyclist has a prior conviction for pulling a gun on a car in another state on another road rage incident. he was charged with going too slow (what kind of a charge is that) and brandishing a firearm 10-10-2009 Frederick County Virginia. Local newspaper pointed this out.
No. 1 I can see having relevance to an upcoming lawsuit, No. 2 given that if I'm not mistaken that the cyclist was the victim shouldn't be relevant at all. As the victim isn't the one who is on trial.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
No. 1 I can see having relevance to an upcoming lawsuit, No. 2 given that if I'm not mistaken that the cyclist was the victim shouldn't be relevant at all. As the victim isn't the one who is on trial.
The victim shouldn't be on trial. But a good defense lawyer will make sure the victim IS on trial and that the victim has a history of confrontations . And 12 jurors to boot..

Hey, if what happened is what the video shows, and nothing more the guys deserves to be found guilty.

IF...and let's just say the car rode by him close and he flipped him the bird or pounded on his car.. then the car stopped, got into an argument, then got too close to the cyclist... That's why I think this case will probably be dismissed. I feel bad for the cyclist, no question, especially since two days later he got hit and had his bike totaled by a uninsured driver who I think fled from the scene.
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The victim isn't on trial. But if the victim testifies, his credibility is...that's the point of cross-examination. And of course this won't help his credibility.
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Originally Posted by gpsblake
The victim shouldn't be on trial. But a good defense lawyer will make sure the victim IS on trial and that the victim has a history of confrontations . And 12 jurors to boot..

Hey, if what happened is what the video shows, and nothing more the guys deserves to be found guilty.

IF...and let's just say the car rode by him close and he flipped him the bird or pounded on his car.. then the car stopped, got into an argument, then got too close to the cyclist... That's why I think this case will probably be dismissed. I feel bad for the cyclist, no question, especially since two days later he got hit and had his bike totaled by a uninsured driver who I think fled from the scene.
This is true, they shouldn't be, but as you said the defense lawyer will do his/her best to put the blame on the victim. As bad as it is in these cases it's even worse when the victim is a woman who had been *****. But that's the job of the defense lawyer to make their client look as squeaky clean as possible and the victim as dirty as possible. Fortunately as we know from another case in which sadly the victim was as squeaky clean as his lawyers would have liked still prevailed.

Agreed, if things have unfolded as the victim says the driver needs to pay to the fullest extent possible under the law. Other than appeal if things don't go the way that the victim feels that it should is there any civil remedy?

It shouldn't matter if the car passed close and the victim flipped him off or slapped the car. That's really tough, I'm guessing that he doesn't have either homeowners or renters insurance?

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The victim isn't on trial. But if the victim testifies, his credibility is...that's the point of cross-examination. And of course this won't help his credibility.
Does he have to testify?
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Helmet laser sight guiding miniaturized AGM-114 Hellfire II.
Does this come in carbon fiber?
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Does this come in carbon fiber?
Only for the miniturized bicycle version which also includes titanium shrapnel.
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Originally Posted by alhedges
The victim isn't on trial. But if the victim testifies, his credibility is...that's the point of cross-examination. And of course this won't help his credibility.
Defense may be prevented from even bringing it up if the judge decides it has no bearing with this case.
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Can I suggest this version instead?
https://cgi.ebay.com/808HD-11-HD-DV-K...item2564420a4a
Video quality is leaps and bounds above the standard #3 or #8.
I am interested...can you pick out license plates from this camera? I have watched them briefly on youtube, but i don't know if you can zoom a little before you upload, etc...

How do you mount it on the helmet? It isn't what I pictured for use on a bike, but if it's cheap and gets the job done...I might get two and place one on the rear. How much running time does it have? Does "50 min close and continue" mean it records about 50 min, and then records over itself?
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Originally Posted by billdsd
Outside of the occasional on road harasser or internet message boards, I have a really hard time finding people who believe that bicyclists don't have a legal right to use the roads. I look for them too. I walk around town and even go shopping while wearing my "<bicycle symbol> MAY USE FULL LANE" t-shirt and almost nobody ever asks me about it and the very few that have asked did so out of pure curiosity. They didn't know but they also didn't presume to know otherwise which is what I had expected to find but didn't.
I would love to get a shirt like that!!

Around the DC-Metro region, if you go on the roads, outside of suburbia, you will find roads that are not kind to cyclists.

A two-lane blacktop with a 40mph speed limit, and no shoulder, outside of suburbia concerns me.
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Originally Posted by Chris516
I would love to get a shirt like that!!

Around the DC-Metro region, if you go on the roads, outside of suburbia, you will find roads that are not kind to cyclists.

A two-lane blacktop with a 40mph speed limit, and no shoulder, outside of suburbia concerns me.
Except for Poolesville. Aahhhh, cycling satisfaction. My mom mentioned some article that had Sugarloaf as one of the top ten road rides in the nation. Skyline Drive was another.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy

Does he have to testify?
He's not legally required to testify, but there's no case without his testimony. The video can't be put into evidence without his testimony, and he's the only one who can describe what is happening on the video.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
Defense may be prevented from even bringing it up if the judge decides it has no bearing with this case.
Credibility is always relevant, though.
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Originally Posted by Chris516
I would love to get a shirt like that!!

Around the DC-Metro region, if you go on the roads, outside of suburbia, you will find roads that are not kind to cyclists.

A two-lane blacktop with a 40mph speed limit, and no shoulder, outside of suburbia concerns me.
According to a recent survey among Georgia drivers, some 95% of the respondents are fully aware of the requirement to share the road with cyclists.
But 75% of those hate the idea of doing so. Really, "hate" is not too strong.
On the one hand they get it - on the other they resent the cyclist for it. Being so conflicted, there are bound to be "issues."

I suspect this is pretty much the same all over the U.S.

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Credibility is always relevant, though.
Do you have ANY evidence that he lied in his case? If the defense does not have any evidence of perjury in that case, then the case is not relevant to his testimony here.
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Originally Posted by alhedges
He's not legally required to testify, but there's no case without his testimony. The video can't be put into evidence without his testimony, and he's the only one who can describe what is happening on the video.
So it's a Catch-22 situation. If he testifies he opens himself up to being crossed examined by the defense. And if he doesn't basically his video doesn't get interpreted the right way.
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Does that mean that if I never get off the bike I will live 5.9 times as long?
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