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Old 10-10-11, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
Yes, we all do, but when someone hears someone make the same claim over and over again, i.e. if you ride like I ride you'll be safe in doing so. They're going to come to the conclusion that if I ride like so and so I'll be safe in doing so.
I can see how someone like you might come to that conclusion, but rational people shouldn't.


Are you trying to say that they don't? As I said using an example from my own experience. Here in St. Petersburg, the city has/had been widening the sidewalk on the northbound side of 1st St. N. turning it into a MUP. For months the right lane had been closed and there was a new pedestrian bridge being installed.

Then suddenly the traffic cones AND the bridge were gone. Even though I recognized that something changed I couldn't at first put my finger on what had changed because I had become accustomed to the right lane being closed and the bridge being there. But I guess because you've never encountered such a situation that you can't understand how/why it happens. Likewise I guess because you've never encountered a hidden driveway that again you can't understand how/why a car can "magically" appear out of "nowhere."

I'm sorry, but it doesn't really sound as if you have much experience with the real world. As there are plenty of intersections in the real world that have driveways that are hidden from view of traffic, there are also plenty of curves that likewise have blind driveways. But again I guess because you haven't ever encountered any of these situations that you don't understand how or why anyone else can and do encounter these situations.

Just because YOU haven't encountered a situation doesn't mean that others haven't encountered them. IF you live in an area that there are no hidden driveways that is great, but there ARE people who do live in areas where they have to contend with hidden driveways.

So that yes one second the intersection may be free of traffic and in the next second one or more car may have "magically" as you've said appear.

But I guess that that is a concept that you can't grasp. Not everyone lives in places that have roads that are laid out the same. There are plenty of places with hidden driveways just as there are plenty of places that don't have hidden driveways.
Not only didn't you answer my question, but you once again pretended that I don't have much "real world experience." Too funny. We could trade resumes about our bike riding experience and compare who has ridden in the most cities, countries, continents, etc., but I seriously doubt that that is going to be nothing but yet another distraction from the fact that you can't articulate why riding slowly through an empty intersection is any less safe than coming to a complete stop. More hot air...
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Old 10-10-11, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
Now who is the one who is making unfounded assumptions?
It's not an assumption, it's a conclusion based on your assumptions.
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Old 10-10-11, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
You never did tell me why you can safely make a right turn on red after stop, but can't safely make a left or go straight on red after stop.
Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
Sorry, it's because you've stopped and have a better chance of actually seeing what is on the road that might be coming at you.
Please read again and respond appropriately. In both situations I listed above, the cyclist has stopped.
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Old 10-10-11, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SBRDude
Not only didn't you answer my question, but you once again pretended that I don't have much "real world experience."
This is A&S; what did you expect.
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Old 10-11-11, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SBRDude
I can see how someone like you might come to that conclusion, but rational people shouldn't.
Yes, rational people shouldn't, but sadly the world is filled with irrational people.

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Not only didn't you answer my question, but you once again pretended that I don't have much "real world experience." Too funny. We could trade resumes about our bike riding experience and compare who has ridden in the most cities, countries, continents, etc., but I seriously doubt that that is going to be nothing but yet another distraction from the fact that you can't articulate why riding slowly through an empty intersection is any less safe than coming to a complete stop. More hot air...
Given that you refuse to accept that there are plenty of roads with hidden driveways and/or side roads that can put cars on a road/into an intersection that was a second ago empty what else are we to think? You do know, don't you that there are these things called trees, bushes, fences, and walls that people plant or build that either partially or totally block a motorists or cyclist or pedestrians view of the cross street? I mean how many news reports do you need to see or read in which a person hits a semi-trailer and claim not to have "seen" it, before you'll accept that people do NOT always see what is right in front of them?" Also I don't think that you've ever answered the question of, if it is "safe" for you to slow down and run either a red light or a stop sign how does coming to a full make it dangerous to do so?

The only way that it becomes dangerous to stop at a red light or a stop sign is because motorists have been "trained" by cyclists who are in the habit of not stopping for them.
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Old 10-11-11, 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
Given that you refuse to accept that there are plenty of roads with hidden driveways and/or side roads that can put cars on a road/into an intersection that was a second ago empty what else are we to think? You do know, don't you that there are these things called trees, bushes, fences, and walls that people plant or build that either partially or totally block a motorists or cyclist or pedestrians view of the cross street?
So the reason why there are hidden dangers in an intersection with clear sight lines in all directions is that there are are bushes and trees blocking the sight lines? Good grief.
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This thread should now be called the SBRDude and Digital_Cowboy cat fight.
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Originally Posted by georgiaman
This thread should now be called the SBRDude and Digital_Cowboy cat fight.
They should just make out and get it over with. The tension is killing me.
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Old 10-11-11, 03:05 PM
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You guys crack me.
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Originally Posted by weshigh
They should just make out and get it over with. The tension is killing me.
Cat fight? Make out? You must be referring to the (in)famous Miller Cat Fight:
https://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0323414691675#
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Old 10-12-11, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SBRDude
So the reason why there are hidden dangers in an intersection with clear sight lines in all directions is that there are are bushes and trees blocking the sight lines? Good grief.
I guess that you're going by the theory that the landscape at intersections or no the roads never changes, or that people never lose track of things in the sun. That must be nice.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
I guess that you're going by the theory that the landscape at intersections or no the roads never changes, or that people never lose track of things in the sun. That must be nice.
This guy just will not quit.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
I guess that you're going by the theory that the landscape at intersections or no the roads never changes, or that people never lose track of things in the sun. That must be nice.
How long should someone remain stopped before they proceed in order to be safe?
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
I guess that you're going by the theory that the landscape at intersections or no the roads never changes, or that people never lose track of things in the sun. That must be nice.
What about, that if you are slowly rolling you get more angles of the street through your viewpoint and then can potential see more hidden dangers because your viewpoint is changing?
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
I guess that you're going by the theory that the landscape at intersections or no the roads never changes, or that people never lose track of things in the sun. That must be nice.
Yes it is nice. Stop looking directly into the sun, it's bad for you.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
How long should someone remain stopped before they proceed in order to be safe?
One MILLION seconds!

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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
How long should someone remain stopped before they proceed in order to be safe?
Long enough for any trees and bushes to stop sprouting up near the intersection.
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