DC video of Assault, Hit & Run
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- 11 the inconsiderate bullheaded cyclist. Maybe the video doesn't show any wrong procedure before the attack, but when the truck pulled alongside the cyclist he should obviously have at least went into the right lane a bit. It's a reasonable expectation by this motorist. I see an empty lane for sevearal blocks. The cyclist caused the collision as much as the truck IMO.
To see the cyclist as in the least bit "bullheaded" is beyond my comprehension. The truck driver is probably the kind of driver who aggresses all road users- not just cyclists- but probably didn't realize that:
#1 swerving at a bike as opposed to another motor vehicle can be particularly dangerous.
#2- that the bicyclist had a camera and recorded the incident.
The actions of the driver are indefensible and it makes one wonder how many more serious bike "accidents" there are that prove to be fatal or where the cyclist has no memory of the crash and they were deliberate acts on the part of drivers. I hope this guy is brought to court and has to answer for his actions with appropriate penalties.
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No arrests yet .. wonder what's up...
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The cyclist caused the collision as much as the truck IMO.
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+1 Post#32, qmsdc15.
- 11 the inconsiderate bullheaded cyclist. Maybe the video doesn't show any wrong procedure before the attack, but when the truck pulled alongside the cyclist he should obviously have at least went into the right lane a bit. It's a reasonable expectation by this motorist. I see an empty lane for sevearal blocks. The cyclist caused the collision as much as the truck IMO.
- 11 the inconsiderate bullheaded cyclist. Maybe the video doesn't show any wrong procedure before the attack, but when the truck pulled alongside the cyclist he should obviously have at least went into the right lane a bit. It's a reasonable expectation by this motorist. I see an empty lane for sevearal blocks. The cyclist caused the collision as much as the truck IMO.
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I commute regularly by bike - mostly urban streets with quite a bit of traffic. I have found that most motorists behave remarkably well. I have never encountered the type of aggression described here. Maybe I am fortunate; however could it be that some cyclists are doing things to trigger such aggression? I know that some of the bike encounters I've had (when riding) made me want to knock them off.
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The cyclist was riding in a legal manner, but using the boxing analogy, the motorist was telegraphing his punch, and I counted 6 seconds after the cyclist cleared the last parked car for the cyclist to move away from the motorist. You cannot effectively collect video evidence, such as license plate numbers if you're on the ground.
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My guess is the truck was behind the bike at the light. The cyclist never looked behind. So the light went green and the white car was 100 yards away before the bike went 30 feet. The truck was then thinking "why is this bike not letting me by ?". He then pulls up beside the bike at the last parked car and starts yapping. The cyclist was 1 to 2 feet inside the line, which is fine. Then he turned his head and drifted to the center of the lane, where the truck seemed to be. The truck probably was angling slightly to the center as well, but I see no obvious swerve. So the cyclist is not blameless by any stretch.
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Even though the incident in the video happened in North East DC, the drivers' in the South East, South West, and North West sections of the city are no better.
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My guess is the truck was behind the bike at the light. The cyclist never looked behind. So the light went green and the white car was 100 yards away before the bike went 30 feet. The truck was then thinking "why is this bike not letting me by ?". He then pulls up beside the bike at the last parked car and starts yapping. The cyclist was 1 to 2 feet inside the line, which is fine. Then he turned his head and drifted to the center of the lane, where the truck seemed to be. The truck probably was angling slightly to the center as well, but I see no obvious swerve. So the cyclist is not blameless by any stretch.
Just because the truck may have been behind the cyclist at any given point, is no justification for threatening the cyclist with a deadly weapon.
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here's some advice for everyone convinced 'holding a line' is the right thing to do in this type of situation:
IF a motorist is yelling at you while swerving their vehicle towards you, utilize the buffer zone you've left for yourself, and avoid the vehicle at all costs.
I brake to always try to be behind the ragers rear bumper if this situation occurs. and it does.
WHEN the motorist yells and swerves, Avoid the vehicle.
Brake and move right. helmet cams are not mitigation.
IF a motorist is yelling at you while swerving their vehicle towards you, utilize the buffer zone you've left for yourself, and avoid the vehicle at all costs.
I brake to always try to be behind the ragers rear bumper if this situation occurs. and it does.
WHEN the motorist yells and swerves, Avoid the vehicle.
Brake and move right. helmet cams are not mitigation.
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here's some advice for everyone convinced 'holding a line' is the right thing to do in this type of situation:
IF a motorist is yelling at you while swerving their truck towards you, utilize the buffer zone you've left for yourself, and avoid the swerving car.
I brake to always try to be behind the ragers rear bumper if this situation occurs. and it does.
WHEN the motorist yells and swerves, Avoid the vehicle.
Brake and move right. helmet cams are not mitigation.
IF a motorist is yelling at you while swerving their truck towards you, utilize the buffer zone you've left for yourself, and avoid the swerving car.
I brake to always try to be behind the ragers rear bumper if this situation occurs. and it does.
WHEN the motorist yells and swerves, Avoid the vehicle.
Brake and move right. helmet cams are not mitigation.
The point people are making is that he was in the right to be riding where he was riding, not only legally but practically; not that avoiding the collision itself could not have been handled with more skill. In the end, he was riding FRAP, and as far as skillful avoidance of the truck itself, just like football, it's a lot easier to backseat cycle than do it yourself. The most skilled rider can get flustered in a bad situation. Anyone who has been in this situation more than once knows this, and anyone who says otherwise is lying.
(Incidentally, it looks like he did hit the brakes, just a touch too late)
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+1 Post#32, qmsdc15.
- 11 the inconsiderate bullheaded cyclist. Maybe the video doesn't show any wrong procedure before the attack, but when the truck pulled alongside the cyclist he should obviously have at least went into the right lane a bit. It's a reasonable expectation by this motorist. I see an empty lane for several blocks. The cyclist caused the collision as much as the truck IMO.
- 11 the inconsiderate bullheaded cyclist. Maybe the video doesn't show any wrong procedure before the attack, but when the truck pulled alongside the cyclist he should obviously have at least went into the right lane a bit. It's a reasonable expectation by this motorist. I see an empty lane for several blocks. The cyclist caused the collision as much as the truck IMO.
What I saw was a cyclist who was riding as in a legal and actually considerate manner. As well as a motorist who was acting as a bully towards someone whom he saw as "encroaching" on "his road." And that he was going to "teach him a lesson."
Why "should the cyclist have moved into the right lane "a bit?" Why should the driver of the truck have "expected" that the cyclist would do so?
And PLEASE explain how the cyclist "caused" the collision "as much as the truck." The driver of the truck in a fit of road rage caused the collision NOT the cyclist.
As with a lot of the people who post hateful comments at the end of articles about this sort of thing you are blaming the victim instead of the road raging, aggressive driver. Who is really to blame.
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Yes, easy to say but sound advice nonetheless, and a maneuver seasoned bicyclists should be prepared to execute without waffling.
Encounter a yelling Motorist swerving towards you?
Take evasive action. utilize the buffer zone.
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Indeed. That's one reason I think just about everyone supports LAB courses. Even seasoned cyclists can benefit from the experience.
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Bicycling with a helmet camera in traffic might induce a type of gladiator syndrome in certain types of cyclists, not that it is evidenced at all in this video.
For some riders, video cameras may lead to aggravated interactions that become counterproductive to enhancing their personal safety. I'm thinking of the bicyclist - discussed and even posts here himself - that videotapes himself yelling "Hey!" at almost every vehicle passing him with a camera positioned preventing him from using the drops on his road bike.
Cameras may ostensibly be a bicyclists safety tool but their efficacy at this is debatable. Cameras are neither tools nor techniques to mitigate traffic hazards.
This case however is very clearly a case of aggressive motorist gone foul.
For some riders, video cameras may lead to aggravated interactions that become counterproductive to enhancing their personal safety. I'm thinking of the bicyclist - discussed and even posts here himself - that videotapes himself yelling "Hey!" at almost every vehicle passing him with a camera positioned preventing him from using the drops on his road bike.
Cameras may ostensibly be a bicyclists safety tool but their efficacy at this is debatable. Cameras are neither tools nor techniques to mitigate traffic hazards.
This case however is very clearly a case of aggressive motorist gone foul.
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here's some advice for everyone convinced 'holding a line' is the right thing to do in this type of situation:
IF a motorist is yelling at you while swerving their vehicle towards you, utilize the buffer zone you've left for yourself, and avoid the vehicle at all costs.
I brake to always try to be behind the ragers rear bumper if this situation occurs. and it does.
WHEN the motorist yells and swerves, Avoid the vehicle.
Brake and move right. helmet cams are not mitigation.
IF a motorist is yelling at you while swerving their vehicle towards you, utilize the buffer zone you've left for yourself, and avoid the vehicle at all costs.
I brake to always try to be behind the ragers rear bumper if this situation occurs. and it does.
WHEN the motorist yells and swerves, Avoid the vehicle.
Brake and move right. helmet cams are not mitigation.
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To say it again but differently, we all need to reflect on our own behavior to determine whether we are part of the issue. To be sure, sociopaths need no triggers; however representatives of that group are rare. I have to believe that most encounters are with normal people that just happen to be driving - and normal people don't seek confrontation.
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i recommend not beating on a road ragers' vehicle. pounding on a vehicle is best reserved for the unwitting or hapless slow speed squeeze play from motorists that is another, common traffic engagement scenario.
you know, you're pulling up to a signal, a motorist slowly slides by and begins encroaching as you both slow up for the intersection.... a quarter panel THWACK will make a hapless motorist aware of your presence.
Don't pound on the road ragers vehicles, it will generally go badly. Thwack a rager's vehicle, the vehicle goes TOWARDS you.
Ride to avoid the ragers at all costs.
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My remark questioned whether there was more to the story in a lot of these described accounts. I would also ask whether this snippet of video showed the whole story i.e. what happened before the edited cut?
I wondered why there was so much video left in at the beginning, I guess it's to answer your question.
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here's some advice for everyone convinced 'holding a line' is the right thing to do in this type of situation:
IF a motorist is yelling at you while swerving their vehicle towards you, utilize the buffer zone you've left for yourself, and avoid the vehicle at all costs.
I brake to always try to be behind the ragers rear bumper if this situation occurs. and it does.
WHEN the motorist yells and swerves, Avoid the vehicle.
Brake and move right. helmet cams are not mitigation.
IF a motorist is yelling at you while swerving their vehicle towards you, utilize the buffer zone you've left for yourself, and avoid the vehicle at all costs.
I brake to always try to be behind the ragers rear bumper if this situation occurs. and it does.
WHEN the motorist yells and swerves, Avoid the vehicle.
Brake and move right. helmet cams are not mitigation.
The manuver you describe is common in urban areas, but you can't depend on it. The trucker could have tapped his brakes as well - or there might have been another car back there in the first place.
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My remark questioned whether there was more to the story in a lot of these described accounts. I would also ask whether this snippet of video showed the whole story i.e. what happened before the edited cut?
To say it again but differently, we all need to reflect on our own behavior to determine whether we are part of the issue. To be sure, sociopaths need no triggers; however representatives of that group are rare. I have to believe that most encounters are with normal people that just happen to be driving - and normal people don't seek confrontation.
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To say it again but differently, we all need to reflect on our own behavior to determine whether we are part of the issue. To be sure, sociopaths need no triggers; however representatives of that group are rare. I have to believe that most encounters are with normal people that just happen to be driving - and normal people don't seek confrontation.
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You assume that cyclists break the law so often video evidence of being a victim isn't "the whole story" because of unrelated riders, but you dismiss aggressive auto driving is "rare"? So rare that you imply the cyclists' behavior influenced the driver in some mysterious way the video didn't capture?
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That truck driver would have probably just smashed me flat because on a multi-lane road like that I almost always take the lane.
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I had some guy do this to me on Prince St (two lanes, one-way street) in Old Town Alexandria. He didn't hit me, but it was certainly threatening. All with no other cars on the block, me in the right-wheel part of the right lane, and with my wife watching from 50' behind me. Just what I needed.