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  • I've never worn a bike helmet

    173 10.59%
  • I used to wear a helmet, but have stopped

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  • I've always worn a helmet

    638 39.05%
  • I didn't wear a helmet, but now do

    397 24.30%
  • I sometimes wear a helmet depending on the conditions

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    Freestyle -> short term sprints
    Street -> often short term sprints
    Park -> short term sprints
    Pool -> short term sprints
    Ramp-> short term sprints
    Pusher racing -> ???
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    BMX races are sprint (short) events and skateboarding appears to be a low-effort activity. A helmet with poor air flow isn't as much as a problem.
    For summer pusher racing (approx 5-15 mile crosstown races over flat or undulating terrain) you do see some skaters opting for bicycle style helmets for better cooling.
    Except the last sentence. Skateboarding is not a low energy workout. Skating a mile is harder than cycling a mile but easier than running a mile.
    No, including the last sentence: people use prefer helmets with better ventilation when they are working too hard to use a closed-helmet (regardless of the activity). You see this in cycling, skateboarding (apparently), and skiing.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    Mostly you shred for a while then take a break for a while, however, much like BMX.
    Yes, this is why I said "typically". The fact that you can find exceptions (which you oddly characterized as "mostly") doesn't contradict "typically".

    "Mostly" (typically), skate boarders are not moving "all out" for a mile on the flats. And, if the few that are going "all out" probably don't like the closed helmets (with poor ventilation).
    Last edited by njkayaker; 06-07-12 at 02:37 PM.

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    Meh, I use a fuller-coverage, skate-style helmet all the time. But I live in ME, so it's rarely too hot to use a low-vent helmet. Even for a 1.5-2hr commute.

    But then I often use a helmet mounted light, so that negates and benefits from a smoother exterior surface...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianstew View Post
    so dothose who are anti helmet for whatever reason at least recomend that children wear them?
    Young children are much more likely to fall than is a competent adult recreational road cyclist. Their heads are much larger, proportionally, than an adults, and their neck and shoulder muscles weaker. They're also closer to the ground and typically ride at much lower speeds, and their skulls are not as resilient as an adults. Altogether, this makes helmet use much more sensible for children than for the above-mentioned adult.

    I know these facts will not dissuade the helmeteers from catcalls of "hypocrite" (and all the rest of the typical insults) but that does not change the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianstew View Post
    so dothose who are anti helmet for whatever reason at least recomend that children wear them?
    Well, I'm not anti-helmet, I'm anti wearing one for activities where it doesn't help.

    So I make my children wear helmets for all activities where a fall might cause them serious damage. All playing, especially tree-climbing, anything involving running, going up and down the stairs necessitates the donning of a helmet. I think you'll agree with me that as a responsible parent that's a given. Some people might worry that their helmet-wearing child would be strangled by the straps of the helmet (as sadly happened here), or that the dramatically increased radius of the head would lead to more head strikes, or that the extra weight on the weaker neck-muscles (speculated to be one of the reasons why female hockey players have more concussions) would be problems. But I scoff at these concerns, because I know that the One True Headgear is Our Salvation.

    Short answer: no I don't.



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    Just buy a motorcycle helmet, drill some large one inch holes all over it for ventilation and your good to go, you'll have the safest bicycle helmet in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    Young children are much more likely to fall than is a competent adult recreational road cyclist. Their heads are much larger, proportionally, than an adults, and their neck and shoulder muscles weaker. They're also closer to the ground and typically ride at much lower speeds, and their skulls are not as resilient as an adults. Altogether, this makes helmet use much more sensible for children than for the above-mentioned adult.

    I know these facts will not dissuade the helmeteers from catcalls of "hypocrite" (and all the rest of the typical insults) but that does not change the facts.
    I don't know how relevant such speculations are, but it's my impression that the softer skull (and skeleton in general) of children is actually one thing that protects them in their many smaller and larger accidents. Like the stories one hears of kids falling from 5th floor and surviving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    ???

    How are they "bombing down the street"?

    I'm not saying it does not require skill but it typically doesn't require long, sustained application of heat-producing muscle action. It seems that how much power you can apply while skate boarding is limited by biomechanics (it seems you can't move your legs fast enough in repetition to build up a lot of heat).
    Have you ever skateboarded?

    Back when I still did, I'd be a lot more tired after 2 miles of skateboarding than 2 miles of riding. Same for equivalent times on each; put me on a bike and 30-60 minutes of riding is nothing... make me jog it or skateboard it and my legs will be on fire . Bikes have a mechanical advantage... you can amble along with not much effort. With a skateboard, even its ambling speed requires more effort because you don't have the benefit of gearing to help you.

    This was "established" long ago. It's kind of obvious and basic (there is always a trade-off in everything).
    It's an obvious point that has been ignored many times in this thread as people look down disdainfully on those who choose not to wear one as being moronic, organ donors, etc; they're perfectly OK with their sacrifices of safety, then attempt to degrade others for sacrificing safety. And that doesn't even approach the fact that the "safety" gained is highly debatable.
    Last edited by sudo bike; 06-08-12 at 12:58 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    No, including the last sentence:
    Ummm. OK, You're right AND you know skateboarding. Satisfied?


    I had a guy yell "HELMET" at me on the MUP yesterday. I finally used the response I've been wanting to use for a while. I just yelled "KNEE PADS!" back at him. Whadda chump.


    Time trialists eschew ventilation and protection levels for aero in their helmet choice. Some Tri guys do this also.


    Bicycle helmet or not, we're all gonna die on our bikes.


    This is the only guy that truly understands the protection levels required for riding a bicycle down the road:

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudo bike View Post
    It's an obvious point that has been ignored many times in this thread as people look down disdainfully on those who choose not to wear one as being moronic...
    As opposed to the many in this thread who look down disdainfully on those who chose to wear a helmet as being moronic and ignoring the "facts"...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    As opposed to the many in this thread who look down disdainfully on those who chose to wear a helmet as being moronic and ignoring the "facts"...?
    How many times has someone yelled at you to take off your helmet while riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazrSkutr View Post
    How many times has someone yelled at you to take off your helmet while riding?
    What part of "in this thread" was too difficult to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    What part of "in this thread" was too difficult to understand?
    Ah, right. You live on the internet. And when you randomly offer your personal experience to strangers during a debate you are surprised and insulted when they're not impressed with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    As opposed to the many in this thread who look down disdainfully on those who chose to wear a helmet as being moronic and ignoring the "facts"...?
    But are there "many" in this thread? I don't really think so. Can't think of one example, really, but of course I'm probably a bit biased

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazrSkutr View Post
    Ah, right. You live on the internet. And when you randomly offer your personal experience to strangers during a debate you are surprised and insulted when they're not impressed with it.
    Ignorance always takes me by surprise; I'm rarely take insult from what people say online; I don't really care if others are impressed or not with what I say.

    Odd: the few times I ride without a helmet, I don't have people telling me I ought to be wearing one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagen2456 View Post
    But are there "many" in this thread? I don't really think so. Can't think of one example, really, but of course I'm probably a bit biased
    Hmm... I can think of two right off the bat, with a bunch more who exhibit the same kind/level of disdain Sudo Bike claims the pro-helmeteers throw around.

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    Example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    Example?
    Just about any post by Meanwhile, but more the the point, the ones where he's calling people idiots, morons, stupid, etc. RazrSkutr, the same. And any post where someone claims a cracked helmet failed before providing protection without anything more to go on than a picture or description of a cracked helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    Ignorance always takes me by surprise; I'm rarely take insult from what people say online; I don't really care if others are impressed or not with what I say.

    Odd: the few times I ride without a helmet, I don't have people telling me I ought to be wearing one...
    It can take a while. I somehow went two years mostly bareheaded, without any comments before that recent obnoxious MUP admonition.

    There were some dirty looks in that time though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post


    This is the only guy that truly understands the protection levels required for riding a bicycle down the road:

    .......but it's not the Stig........it's the Stig's Swedish cousin!.............
    Elitists suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    Just about any post by Meanwhile, but more the the point, the ones where he's calling people idiots, morons, stupid, etc. RazrSkutr, the same. And any post where someone claims a cracked helmet failed before providing protection without anything more to go on than a picture or description of a cracked helmet.
    That's not QUITE the same thing, but I get what you mean. On the other hand, there's been lots of abuse on both sides. I just can't think of an example of people calling helmet-wearers idiots for just wearing a helmet :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    Just about any post by Meanwhile, but more the the point, the ones where he's calling people idiots, morons, stupid, etc. RazrSkutr, the same. And any post where someone claims a cracked helmet failed before providing protection without anything more to go on than a picture or description of a cracked helmet.
    You moved the goalposts. I'm looking for examples of "look(ing) down disdainfully on those who chose to wear a helmet". I just don't see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    You moved the goalposts. I'm looking for examples of "look(ing) down disdainfully on those who chose to wear a helmet". I just don't see that.
    Me neither. Naturally, I look down disdainfully on those who are unable to understand that I am right, but I think that puts me very firmly in the majority.
    There have been many days when I haven't felt like riding, but there has never been a day when I was sorry I rode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    You moved the goalposts. I'm looking for examples of "look(ing) down disdainfully on those who chose to wear a helmet". I just don't see that.
    Thats because you are one of the ones looking down disdainfully.........
    Elitists suck.

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    Discounting all the anti helmet blather, I went for a very enjoyable bent club ride today. I put the helmet on when we started, and totally forgot all about it till the ride ended and I took it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianstew View Post
    Thats because you are one of the ones looking down disdainfully.........
    This is too stupid for me, sorry. Straw that broke the camel's back. Will someone please tell me how to "ignore" another member?

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