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    I really wish that Bell would reintroduce the Tourlite helmet they made in the middle 80s. It had a lexan shell that was around 1/8th of an inch thick. It wasnt that heavy and was tough as nails.

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    Someone recently shared an interesting (IMO) overview of head/brain injuries and helmet.

    Since I have a hard time keeping up with the thread, before posting this I checked to see whether it was shared earlier but neither the forum search tool nor Google displayed any posts with the link or some portion of the link and author's name. The forum search was not behaving well ... or I was using it badly ... so please forgive me if I missed an old post and this is old news. The paper is dated 2008. It's by Curnow who has written several other articles on bicycle helmets. However, the others I read were written years earlier.

    http://www.cyclehelmets.org/papers/p787.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    Many sports have safety equiptment. I fail to understand why a small vocal minority refuse to use safety equiptment for cycling.
    Strange. I thought that a reason or two had been posted here, but I guess I was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    Many sports have safety equiptment. I fail to understand why a small vocal minority refuse to use safety equiptment for cycling.
    Because for the majority of cyclists worldwide, cycling is a means of transportation, not a sport. The risks associated with general transportation riding in good conditions aren't high enough to warrant the limited protective ability of a bicycle helmet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    I really wish that Bell would reintroduce the Tourlite helmet they made in the middle 80s. It had a lexan shell that was around 1/8th of an inch thick. It wasnt that heavy and was tough as nails.
    I use to have one of those, I forgot about it till you mentioned it. That shell was indeed tough, nothing since then has been made that was ever been that tough by any manufacture. I wonder why Bell stopped making it? Maybe the helmet lasted too long and they felt it wouldn't get consumers to buy more frequently? Maybe cyclists were complaining of the weight and moved to lighter helmets forcing Bell to make a lighter helmet? I do remember that the Tourlite got rave reviews by all the testing agencies, so I know they didn't stop making it due to safety concerns, the only concern I had with it was it didn't have adequate venting but that could have been easily done if Bell chose too.

    If I remember correctly I think that helmet came out in the late 70's and was gone by the mid 80's. I know I had the helmet for at least 4 years until my head went through a cars side window in 84 which crushed the styrofoam but did nothing to the shell. And the styrofoam they used was white instead of the black stuff, and during those 4 some odd years I had it the styrofoam never started to deterate like the black does just after only 1 year of use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    Many sports have safety equiptment. I fail to understand why a small vocal minority refuse to use safety equiptment for cycling.
    Quote Originally Posted by hagen2456 View Post
    Strange. I thought that a reason or two had been posted here, but I guess I was wrong.
    Given his previous posts on this thread, the "failure to understand" is not strange at all.

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    My helmet didn't save my life...


    because I wasn't wearing one.

    Yesterday I was involved in a collision with a motor vehicle. I was negotiating a roundabout, I had the right of way, a car drove straight out in front of me, I had no opportunity to avoid it. I was catapulted over the car into the roadway. My shoulder and the side of my unhelmeted head struck the road. I have a separated shoulder joint and a lump on my head.

    It occurred to me afterwards that had I been wearing a helmet, it would very probably have sustained some damage and that I might well have concluded that it had saved me from serious injury. But in fact what happened was that my skull struck the roadway with a single, glancing blow. I had a mild headache for about an hour and some residual tenderness of the scalp. My head did not rotate on impact, tests have shown no neurological deficit, I'm fine. (My shoulder is a bit of a mess, though).

    This was the result of most such incidents before helmets became prevalent. For the most part, bumping one's head is unpleasant but not serious.

    It also occurred to me that had I been wearing a helmet it is at least possible that the outcome might have been worse, given the reported tendency of helmets to increase the extent to which the head rotates. It's possible, if unlikely, that not wearing a helmet saved my life.

    I value my noggin too highly to wear a helmet.

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    It's been educational for me to understand the negative effect that mandantory helmet laws have on ridership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    My helmet didn't save my life...


    because I wasn't wearing one.

    Yesterday I was involved in a collision with a motor vehicle. I was negotiating a roundabout, I had the right of way, a car drove straight out in front of me, I had no opportunity to avoid it. I was catapulted over the car into the roadway. My shoulder and the side of my unhelmeted head struck the road. I have a separated shoulder joint and a lump on my head.

    It occurred to me afterwards that had I been wearing a helmet, it would very probably have sustained some damage and that I might well have concluded that it had saved me from serious injury. But in fact what happened was that my skull struck the roadway with a single, glancing blow. I had a mild headache for about an hour and some residual tenderness of the scalp. My head did not rotate on impact, tests have shown no neurological deficit, I'm fine. (My shoulder is a bit of a mess, though).

    This was the result of most such incidents before helmets became prevalent. For the most part, bumping one's head is unpleasant but not serious.

    It also occurred to me that had I been wearing a helmet it is at least possible that the outcome might have been worse, given the reported tendency of helmets to increase the extent to which the head rotates. It's possible, if unlikely, that not wearing a helmet saved my life.

    I value my noggin too highly to wear a helmet.
    Well, let me be the first to say I'm glad you're (more-or-less) okay. Thank god you didn't have a helmet on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    That's pretty-much the bizarre conclusion of the article. The article comes darn close to calling road bicyclists "names".
    Why is it "bizarre"?

    There are two probabilities to consider:

    1. The probability that a helmet will perform some sort of protective function in a particular type of crash
    2. The probability of experiencing that particular type of crash.

    The article suggests that slower-moving, facilities-riding commuters have lower values for 2 and hence have less need for 1.

    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    Maybe. But given the clear bias against "roadies" in the article, it's not clear that it can be trusted as being an accurate portrayal of the data. Since it supports your side, you accept it non-critically.
    I don't see where you get the bias against roadies thing from it. It's just pointing out that it's a mistake to lump together riskier activities on a bike with less-risky ones. It's the same problem that bedevils emergency-room admission statistics: you don't know if the person presenting was a food-delivery guy riding on the sidewalk in a rush with a basket loaded with orders, or someone riding a recumbent with a magic hat on their head and a homeopathic car-repelling forcefield.

    You should think a bit before you reject information that doesn't automatically confirm your predjudices.

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    Here's to a speedy recovery

    Glad you're as OK as one could be expected to be.

    I hate to think what might have happened if you'd been wearing a helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    My helmet didn't save my life...


    because I wasn't wearing one.

    Yesterday I was involved in a collision with a motor vehicle. I was negotiating a roundabout, I had the right of way, a car drove straight out in front of me, I had no opportunity to avoid it. I was catapulted over the car into the roadway. My shoulder and the side of my unhelmeted head struck the road. I have a separated shoulder joint and a lump on my head.

    It occurred to me afterwards that had I been wearing a helmet, it would very probably have sustained some damage and that I might well have concluded that it had saved me from serious injury. But in fact what happened was that my skull struck the roadway with a single, glancing blow. I had a mild headache for about an hour and some residual tenderness of the scalp. My head did not rotate on impact, tests have shown no neurological deficit, I'm fine. (My shoulder is a bit of a mess, though).

    This was the result of most such incidents before helmets became prevalent. For the most part, bumping one's head is unpleasant but not serious.

    It also occurred to me that had I been wearing a helmet it is at least possible that the outcome might have been worse, given the reported tendency of helmets to increase the extent to which the head rotates. It's possible, if unlikely, that not wearing a helmet saved my life.

    I value my noggin too highly to wear a helmet.

    Good to hear that you still living. Next time you should wear a helmet, to claim that it saved your life.
    Last year I had a similar experience, came of my bike, nurt my arm, leg and head. No helmet and still living. The worst thing was that my front wheel was damaged, a nice Campagnolo Zonda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulkal View Post
    Last year I had a similar experience, came of my bike, nurt my arm, leg and head. No helmet and still living. The worst thing was that my front wheel was damaged, a nice Campagnolo Zonda.
    Ah, the bike. Sadly, my beautiful 1984 Reynolds 531 Raleigh Royal is no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    My helmet didn't save my life...


    because I wasn't wearing one.

    Yesterday I was involved in a collision with a motor vehicle. I was negotiating a roundabout, I had the right of way, a car drove straight out in front of me, I had no opportunity to avoid it. I was catapulted over the car into the roadway. My shoulder and the side of my unhelmeted head struck the road. I have a separated shoulder joint and a lump on my head.

    It occurred to me afterwards that had I been wearing a helmet, it would very probably have sustained some damage and that I might well have concluded that it had saved me from serious injury. But in fact what happened was that my skull struck the roadway with a single, glancing blow. I had a mild headache for about an hour and some residual tenderness of the scalp. My head did not rotate on impact, tests have shown no neurological deficit, I'm fine. (My shoulder is a bit of a mess, though).

    This was the result of most such incidents before helmets became prevalent. For the most part, bumping one's head is unpleasant but not serious.

    It also occurred to me that had I been wearing a helmet it is at least possible that the outcome might have been worse, given the reported tendency of helmets to increase the extent to which the head rotates. It's possible, if unlikely, that not wearing a helmet saved my life.

    I value my noggin too highly to wear a helmet.
    It’s also possible you may have only had a “mild headache” for 30 minutes instead of an hour, without the slightest bit of rotation. No one really knows for sure now, do they? Your supposition about what “might have” happened really has little to no concrete evidence to support it.

    Moral of the story: People with strong convictions either way regarding the helmet issue are going to make assumptions of possible outcomes that will match their beliefs. No surprise there, now is there? Helmeteers do it, and Styrofoam skeptics do it too. Yay helmet thread!

    Best wishes for a quick and full recovery for your shoulder.
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    In my opinion, there is a strong negative correlation between wearing helmets and having a sense of humour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    It also occurred to me that had I been wearing a helmet it is at least possible that the outcome might have been worse, given the reported tendency of helmets to increase the extent to which the head rotates. It's possible, if unlikely, that not wearing a helmet saved my life.

    I value my noggin too highly to wear a helmet.
    Sorry to hear about your accident and all best wishes toward a speedy recovery.

    The reported tendency of rotational injury due to helmet use is inconclusive at best. There's no real way you can say wearing a helmet would have made it worse, just as if you were wearing a helmet you might falsely claim that wearing a helmet helped in your situation. And then of course there's helmets available, like the POC MIPS selections, which are actually designed to mitigate rotational injury.

    Also, because this was a less than serious head injury, there's really no data available to corroborate your claim that a helmet would not have helped -- most studies posted here deal only with reported serious injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    Ah, the bike. Sadly, my beautiful 1984 Reynolds 531 Raleigh Royal is no more.
    Oh, noez!!!! That's the worst -- you'll heal; the bike, not so much. Sorry to hear it.

    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    In my opinion, there is a strong negative correlation between wearing helmets and having a sense of humour.
    Huh. Seems to me there's more a negative correlation between those who post here and having a sense of humor, helmet use status regardless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblehand View Post
    Someone recently shared an interesting (IMO) overview of head/brain injuries and helmet.

    Since I have a hard time keeping up with the thread, before posting this I checked to see whether it was shared earlier but neither the forum search tool nor Google displayed any posts with the link or some portion of the link and author's name. The forum search was not behaving well ... or I was using it badly ... so please forgive me if I missed an old post and this is old news. The paper is dated 2008. It's by Curnow who has written several other articles on bicycle helmets. However, the others I read were written years earlier.

    http://www.cyclehelmets.org/papers/p787.pdf
    I'm going to say this is much more important regarding MHLs v. ridership and the overall societal cost of implementing useless nanny-state legislation than it is about helmet efficacy under crash conditions for which they were designed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    Huh. Seems to me there's more a negative correlation between those who post here and having a sense of humor, helmet use status regardless...
    It is seemingly more of an A&S-wide problem, actually.
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    My speculation was that it applies to some degree in cycling, and I used the previous proof as my reasoning, but I can't prove how exactly it applies to it and to what degree. That, I have admitted, is speculation based on reasoning, but not at this point provable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    Ah, the bike. Sadly, my beautiful 1984 Reynolds 531 Raleigh Royal is no more.
    Aaargh!

    (They really should start producing helmets for bikes. Might have saved yours)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    In my opinion, there is a strong negative correlation between wearing helmets and having a sense of humour.
    Heh!

    I dare not think what might have happened to your sense of humour, had you worn a helmet...

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    Members of the anti helmet cult really are a humorless group. Just mention that the anti helmet crowd makes good organ donors, and just watch the laugh and giggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    Members of the anti helmet cult really are a humorless group.
    So are you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    I'm going to say this is much more important regarding MHLs v. ridership and the overall societal cost of implementing useless nanny-state legislation than it is about helmet efficacy under crash conditions for which they were designed.
    I brought it (http://www.aqmd.gov/news1/1999/in_car_facts.htm Canberra study of total cost of requiring helmets vs medical costs) up earlier I think, and I've seen reference to the study from several others.

    I agree it is about the cost of "useless nanny state regulations" but about one specifically: requiring bicycle helmets in Australia. Cost to society exceeded the extra medical costs that would result from not requiring helmets. It kind of blows a hole in the argument that one person refusing to wear a helmet makes another person pay for it indirectly, and hence is the latter's business.

    BTW, there is one more reason to wear a helmet that I don't think has been mentioned yet. For every news article about a bicycle accident the reporter seems somehow compelled to state whether or not the rider was wearing a helmet. As if it largely determines his culpability. Should I have an accident, heaven forbid, I'm loath to have them smearing my name in that fashion - I want them reporting that "the cyclist was wearing a helmet" - and had lights for that matter - so the average clueless reader will conclude that I was doing everything right instead of being negligent.
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