Reflexes and osteoporosis? Not so much.
I do admit that a helmet will not prevent an ankle sprain.
No point to bring religion into this:p
Yours was pretty lively, though.
And thanks for asking!
Correction: my money is on the cyclist who is aware of their surroundings and does not put themselves into that situation in the first place. And you need brains for that, not rely on the helmet to do your thinking for you.
I don't wear a helmet because I ride a velomobile - effectively a suit of armor compared to bicycle helmets. Does not mean it should be mandatory, when it is clearly a safer, faster, and more comfortable means of cycling transportation? Of course not.
Personally, the important issue is governmental enforcement of helmet use. I do not agree that it is their job to do that. Helmet use, as stated here ad-nauseum by both 'sides', really comes down to a personal preference. Some think it helps, some think it does not. There is a fair amount of anecdotes and information available on either side to support helmet use or not. There is ample common sense to support helmet use or not. Let the people decide what is best for them, not the government.
Otherwise this entire thread is little more than soap-box grandstanding that tastes more like politics than actual debate. :twitchy:
Wake me up when America becomes a "school of fish" cycling mecca.
How stupid is this: "Correction: my money is on the cyclist who is aware of their surroundings and does not put themselves into that situation in the first place. And you need brains for that, not rely on the helmet to do your thinking for you." Of course a person needs to ride defensively, but the way it's worded I would take it to mean you never wear a seatbelt in your car and disarm your air bags because your the best defensive driver in the world and thus invincible! Good luck with that. Just because you're a good rider, which I don't doubt you are, doesn't mean not to wear a helmet just as it doesn't mean you drive without seatbelts and airbags on.
You know what's silly? Helmet use for ALL cycling styles and conditions.
Normal drivers vs auto racers
Normal cyclists vs bicycle racers
are interesting comparisons to me.
Also full face helmet usage is interesting to me.
All interesting PPE stuff.
But still it remains no matter how great your bike handling skills and how defensively you ride, schidt happens and down you go.
He could have been talking about car speeds. Where the car speeds are slower are often congested urban areas.
In southern Germany, major roads (not highways were cyclists can't ride) are narrow with wide trucks driving at high speeds (though, often, there's a sidepath).
And a lot of Europeans ride slow. I suspect that many people here often ride faster and much farther than the majority of "safer" Europeans (that is, people here often think that groups of cyclists and environments that are different are exactly the same).
The only way US riders can be as "safe" as Europeans is by moving to Europe and riding like Europeans (unless they are living in a US city that is like a cyclng-friendly European one. Then, they would only need to ride slow.)
(I'm not arguing for MHLs. No one here is. )
DD = defensive driving
I think the other poster is saying speeds of defensive cycling make it potentially easier than defensive driving.
Some in this thread are fast. My average commute speed over a year was 12mph. Yes, you're right. Generalization is bad. Defining groups is bad. Everyone should choose their own PPE levels unless engaging in a race or other organized ride that may require certain equipment.
As I understand it, by far the largest portion of bicyclist fatalities involve cars. I personally think it's idiotic to believe that a few ounces of foam protect you when struck by a car, but whatever. A better point of debate, IMO, is why fewer European cyclists appear to be getting struck by cars compared with American cyclists. If we can figure that out we might actually get someplace - but I suspect the "answer" will be the usual foolishness about how American drivers are evil greedy Republicans who hate the environment.
In most cases it's safer to race a car on the track then it is to drive on the street.
Most bikes don't come with helmets. In the USA most don't come with lights or audible warning devices either, yet automobiles do.
And yes, racing automobiles or road bikes on closed courses is safer than the alternative. Auto Racing on open roads is quite rare. Road bike racing on open roads happens several times a year and races on partially closed roads happening ALL the time.
I think SOME of my everyday riding warrants helmet use, definitely not ALL.
I would think those that rationalize everyday helmet use with "anything could happen" have too little in the way of personal protection. If anything could happen I'd really want a full face helmet and some kinda knee/elbow protection.
I hate to repeat myself but here I go, I don't care if you or someone else does or doesn't want to wear helmet, just like I don't care if you or someone else does or doesn't want to wear a seat belt. For me it's more about our personal rights, if I choose not to wear a helmet or a seat belt that's my right just as it is to wear either, my safety is my concern and my responsibility not the government's, the government should have more important things to do then watch us like hawks to make sure we wear seat belts or helmets. By the way, I chose to wear a helmet and seat belt, if I didn't want want to wear them I wouldn't regardless what the law said! I wear this stuff based on studies that show they work, but again I should have the right to chose.