View Poll Results: Helmet wearing habits?
I've never worn a bike helmet
178
10.66%
I used to wear a helmet, but have stopped
94
5.63%
I've always worn a helmet
648
38.80%
I didn't wear a helmet, but now do
408
24.43%
I sometimes wear a helmet depending on the conditions
342
20.48%
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The helmet thread
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I agree about the hanging! We use to hang horse thieves, but today auto, motorcycle, and bicycle thieves are allowed to steal and get their hand slapped if caught.
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Looking at this helmet:
https://www.lazersport.com/index.php?...mid=17&lang=en[1]
Past years the sizing has been different (M/L size as opposed to M and L sizes) so I'm wondering how it would fit. I found a M for a great price and my head is just a little bigger than 56cm around and Lazer says an M is 54-56cm. Anyone own this helmet and have sizing advice?
Thanks!
https://www.lazersport.com/index.php?...mid=17&lang=en[1]
Past years the sizing has been different (M/L size as opposed to M and L sizes) so I'm wondering how it would fit. I found a M for a great price and my head is just a little bigger than 56cm around and Lazer says an M is 54-56cm. Anyone own this helmet and have sizing advice?
Thanks!
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The problem is that you have to lug the helmet around everywhere. It's not heavy, but it's big as a hot dang! I can't hang the helmet on my bag, won't carry it on my hand because it looks dorky and just leaving a 40 buck helmet somewhere for anyone to steal... I would have to buy a new one every other day.
And, what about my hair when it grows back again! The paraller stripes of death! Woe is me should I look like the singer of prodigy the whole day just because of a helmet.
And, what about my hair when it grows back again! The paraller stripes of death! Woe is me should I look like the singer of prodigy the whole day just because of a helmet.
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HELMET or NOT ?
Schwinn Thrasher Adult Bike Helmet:•
•Dial-fit adjustment system for added comfort
•20 flow vents
•Integrated LED safety light
•Snap-on visor for protection
•Tapeless technology adds unique styling
•Strap adjusters
•ASTM approved
•Color: Black
Wear a Helmet
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Mostly I thought my sociology classes were a waste of time, but the concepts of "social conformity" and "groupthink" are strongly represented by the helmeteers.
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Looking at this helmet:
https://www.lazersport.com/index.php?...mid=17&lang=en[1]
Past years the sizing has been different (M/L size as opposed to M and L sizes) so I'm wondering how it would fit. I found a M for a great price and my head is just a little bigger than 56cm around and Lazer says an M is 54-56cm. Anyone own this helmet and have sizing advice?
Thanks!
https://www.lazersport.com/index.php?...mid=17&lang=en[1]
Past years the sizing has been different (M/L size as opposed to M and L sizes) so I'm wondering how it would fit. I found a M for a great price and my head is just a little bigger than 56cm around and Lazer says an M is 54-56cm. Anyone own this helmet and have sizing advice?
Thanks!
Added note. I got the Lazer because I couldn't find a helmet that would fit my head right and that was the only one that would. I do not think the quality of that helmet was as good as my previous Louis Garneau helmet. That may be due the way industry does things these days or it could be the brand. But the Garneau lasted 7 years before I started to get flecks of styrofoam on my head after riding but the fabric covered foam was still good, this Lazer is only a 2 years old and the fabric is just starting to peel off the foam padding. I will probably not buy another Lazer IF I can find another brand that will fit my head.
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I like how the goalposts have shifted from "There's no reason not to wear a helmet" to "Your reasons for not wearing a helmet are invalid".
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Mostly I thought my sociology classes were a waste of time, but the concepts of "social conformity" and "groupthink" are strongly represented by the helmeteers.
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Mostly I thought my sociology classes were a waste of time, but the concepts of "social conformity" and "groupthink" are strongly represented by the helmeteers.
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My grandfather was 70 years old when he was killed in a car-on-bike accident 35 years ago. No helmet. My father was 68 years old when he blacked out during a 10-mile commute and woke up in the hospital 8 hours later with a major concussion and several broken bones. Helmet. They are/were both experienced, safe riders.
I have no way of knowing if the helmet (or lack thereof) was a key factor in either of these scenarios. But with this knowledge, I'd rather err on the side of caution. I have a responsibility to my family to be as safe as I can. So I bought the least dorky one I could find when I started riding again recently, and I'm just going to have to get used to it.
I have no way of knowing if the helmet (or lack thereof) was a key factor in either of these scenarios. But with this knowledge, I'd rather err on the side of caution. I have a responsibility to my family to be as safe as I can. So I bought the least dorky one I could find when I started riding again recently, and I'm just going to have to get used to it.
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My grandfather was 70 years old when he was killed in a car-on-bike accident 35 years ago. No helmet. My father was 68 years old when he blacked out during a 10-mile commute and woke up in the hospital 8 hours later with a major concussion and several broken bones. Helmet. They are/were both experienced, safe riders.
I have no way of knowing if the helmet (or lack thereof) was a key factor in either of these scenarios. But with this knowledge, I'd rather err on the side of caution. I have a responsibility to my family to be as safe as I can. So I bought the least dorky one I could find when I started riding again recently, and I'm just going to have to get used to it.
I have no way of knowing if the helmet (or lack thereof) was a key factor in either of these scenarios. But with this knowledge, I'd rather err on the side of caution. I have a responsibility to my family to be as safe as I can. So I bought the least dorky one I could find when I started riding again recently, and I'm just going to have to get used to it.
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Moving closer into town center, soon. walking vs getting out the bike at all, will be a decision, then.
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The term "groupthink" is especially appropriate here, xoxo, because it appears that you've accepted the "group" opinion without critically evaluating it. You should take a hard look at the manufacturer's estimates of the abilities of their helmets. They aren't designed for 54.5 MPH crashes, or head-first impacts with immovable objects, and wearing them in the hope of preventing death in those situations is little better than carrying a bible in them.
That's not, of course, saying that you are wrong to wear a helmet, for whatever reason. It's just that "Wear a helmet!!!" is just as tiresome as "Read the bible!!!" - and for the same reasons.
That's not, of course, saying that you are wrong to wear a helmet, for whatever reason. It's just that "Wear a helmet!!!" is just as tiresome as "Read the bible!!!" - and for the same reasons.
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That's true, reading the bible is only the guide for life. How you wear a helmet (or not) is how you live it. We all learn what works best for us through experience and it's always helpful to see how others do it. Just because it's mentioned here is not a fact set in stone, only the experience of what others have had.
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I dont conform to "group think" at all. I dont wear spandex because it is not necessary on a recumbent. My cadence is what speed I feel comfortable maintaining. I wear a helmet because it is logical.
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Logical? I'm not familiar with the meaning of that word, it seems to be lost in today's world!
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"I've never hit my head in a fall, so I don't need a helmet."
"You should learn to ride better so you won't crash."
"Your money is better spent on a class on how to fall better, than on a helmet."
"A helmet has never been proven to protect you."
"Your helmet actually puts you in more danger."
"The anecdotal tales of how your helmet saved you from injury is invalid, but my anecdotal tales of how many times I've fallen and survived without a helmet is perfectly valid."
"Any studies you post that might say anything positive about helmets were clearly done by a bias group of helmeteers, but the studies I've dug up that say helmets are worthless were performed by open-minded, fact-finding scientists."
"I may insult every person who posts an opposing view, but I don't really care if they wear a helmet."
"Wear a helmet if you want, but just don't make it a law. Yea, what I really care about is the liberty of being able to choose for myself. I know not a single person in this thread has posted any support for a mandatory helmet law, but if anyone thinks any of my previously listed reasons are invalid, then they must be posting in here because they have a secret MHL agenda."
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Right. And the bare head brigade never shifts the goalposts...
"I've never hit my head in a fall, so I don't need a helmet."
"You should learn to ride better so you won't crash."
"Your money is better spent on a class on how to fall better, than on a helmet."
"A helmet has never been proven to protect you."
"Your helmet actually puts you in more danger."
"The anecdotal tales of how your helmet saved you from injury is invalid, but my anecdotal tales of how many times I've fallen and survived without a helmet is perfectly valid."
"Any studies you post that might say anything positive about helmets were clearly done by a bias group of helmeteers, but the studies I've dug up that say helmets are worthless were performed by open-minded, fact-finding scientists."
"I may insult every person who posts an opposing view, but I don't really care if they wear a helmet."
"Wear a helmet if you want, but just don't make it a law. Yea, what I really care about is the liberty of being able to choose for myself. I know not a single person in this thread has posted any support for a mandatory helmet law, but if anyone thinks any of my previously listed reasons are invalid, then they must be posting in here because they have a secret MHL agenda."
"I've never hit my head in a fall, so I don't need a helmet."
"You should learn to ride better so you won't crash."
"Your money is better spent on a class on how to fall better, than on a helmet."
"A helmet has never been proven to protect you."
"Your helmet actually puts you in more danger."
"The anecdotal tales of how your helmet saved you from injury is invalid, but my anecdotal tales of how many times I've fallen and survived without a helmet is perfectly valid."
"Any studies you post that might say anything positive about helmets were clearly done by a bias group of helmeteers, but the studies I've dug up that say helmets are worthless were performed by open-minded, fact-finding scientists."
"I may insult every person who posts an opposing view, but I don't really care if they wear a helmet."
"Wear a helmet if you want, but just don't make it a law. Yea, what I really care about is the liberty of being able to choose for myself. I know not a single person in this thread has posted any support for a mandatory helmet law, but if anyone thinks any of my previously listed reasons are invalid, then they must be posting in here because they have a secret MHL agenda."
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Right. And the bare head brigade never shifts the goalposts...
"I've never hit my head in a fall, so I don't need a helmet."
"You should learn to ride better so you won't crash."
"Your money is better spent on a class on how to fall better, than on a helmet."
"A helmet has never been proven to protect you."
"Your helmet actually puts you in more danger."
"The anecdotal tales of how your helmet saved you from injury is invalid, but my anecdotal tales of how many times I've fallen and survived without a helmet is perfectly valid."
"Any studies you post that might say anything positive about helmets were clearly done by a bias group of helmeteers, but the studies I've dug up that say helmets are worthless were performed by open-minded, fact-finding scientists."
"I may insult every person who posts an opposing view, but I don't really care if they wear a helmet."
"Wear a helmet if you want, but just don't make it a law. Yea, what I really care about is the liberty of being able to choose for myself. I know not a single person in this thread has posted any support for a mandatory helmet law, but if anyone thinks any of my previously listed reasons are invalid, then they must be posting in here because they have a secret MHL agenda."
"I've never hit my head in a fall, so I don't need a helmet."
"You should learn to ride better so you won't crash."
"Your money is better spent on a class on how to fall better, than on a helmet."
"A helmet has never been proven to protect you."
"Your helmet actually puts you in more danger."
"The anecdotal tales of how your helmet saved you from injury is invalid, but my anecdotal tales of how many times I've fallen and survived without a helmet is perfectly valid."
"Any studies you post that might say anything positive about helmets were clearly done by a bias group of helmeteers, but the studies I've dug up that say helmets are worthless were performed by open-minded, fact-finding scientists."
"I may insult every person who posts an opposing view, but I don't really care if they wear a helmet."
"Wear a helmet if you want, but just don't make it a law. Yea, what I really care about is the liberty of being able to choose for myself. I know not a single person in this thread has posted any support for a mandatory helmet law, but if anyone thinks any of my previously listed reasons are invalid, then they must be posting in here because they have a secret MHL agenda."
I personally I am against a mandatory helmet law, just as much as I'm against the mandatory seat belt law, their both nuts and unneeded laws; but if your going to have a law requiring seat belts, then you might as well have a law requiring helmets. I think everyone should have the right to use or to refuse to use a personal safety device such as seat belts and helmets unless you have a job that requires it.
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That is what is mainly the problem in the world today. Common sense and logic is tossed aside by the people that "know better". Common sense and logic says that an accident can happen any time. That is true no matter how good of a cyclist you think you are. The unexpected accident WILL happen, and it will happen to anyone. That is why I am prepared and wear a helmet.
That is what is mainly the problem in the world today. Common sense and logic is tossed aside by the people that "know better". Common sense and logic says that an accident can happen any time. That is true no matter how good of a cyclist you think you are. The unexpected accident WILL happen, and it will happen to anyone. That is why I am prepared and wear a helmet.
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I personally I am against a mandatory helmet law, just as much as I'm against the mandatory seat belt law, their both nuts and unneeded laws; but if your going to have a law requiring seat belts, then you might as well have a law requiring helmets. I think everyone should have the right to use or to refuse to use a personal safety device such as seat belts and helmets unless you have a job that requires it.
But by all means, wear a helmet if it makes you feel better. Groupthink often does.
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There is evidence that seat belts save lives. There evidence the motorcycle helmets save lives. There is no evidence that bike helmets save lives, and pretty good evidence that they don't: (Australia, where mandatory helmet laws made no difference despite significant compliance; same in BC; and continental Europe, where not wearing a helmet is the norm and fewer people die on bikes than in the US). All of these points have been repeatedly mentioned in this thread (and the preceding thread), and there is no meaningful response to actual evidence. Just so many anecdotes of helmets "saving lives" that you would think that 10,000 additional bikers would die every year if not for helmets.
But by all means, wear a helmet if it makes you feel better. Groupthink often does.
But by all means, wear a helmet if it makes you feel better. Groupthink often does.
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There is evidence that seat belts save lives. There evidence the motorcycle helmets save lives. There is no evidence that bike helmets save lives, and pretty good evidence that they don't: (Australia, where mandatory helmet laws made no difference despite significant compliance; same in BC; and continental Europe, where not wearing a helmet is the norm and fewer people die on bikes than in the US). All of these points have been repeatedly mentioned in this thread (and the preceding thread), and there is no meaningful response to actual evidence. Just so many anecdotes of helmets "saving lives" that you would think that 10,000 additional bikers would die every year if not for helmets.
But by all means, wear a helmet if it makes you feel better. Groupthink often does.
But by all means, wear a helmet if it makes you feel better. Groupthink often does.
But, it shouldn't matter if a safety device that has been proven to save lives should be required by law to use. Motorcycle helmets as you have said has been proven to save lives yet only 3 stated in the USA require helmets to be used by law enforcement. Personal safety while driving, or riding a MC, or bicycle should be a personal choice. I chose to wear my seat belt not because the law makes me do it, if the law wasn't there I would still wear my seat belt, it's a safety choice I make for myself. I'm a decent driver, hadn't had a car accident since I was 24 till last year when a drunk ran a stop sign going across a highway. Schit happens, but I chose to wear a seat belt and he chose not to, he died I didn't (though I T-boned him so I doubt wearing a seat belt would have saved him). When I ride my bike I wear a helmet because I chose to.
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*phew*... luckily for me I didn't say otherwise, eh?
Shall we play the "find that fallacy" game...?
(btw, while what you pointed out are fair examples of hypocrisy, that isn't what "shifting goalposts" means.)
Shall we play the "find that fallacy" game...?
(btw, while what you pointed out are fair examples of hypocrisy, that isn't what "shifting goalposts" means.)
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