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    "Chinese express horror at public indifference to toddler hit-run victim"

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    That is pretty horrifying.

    First driver stops with the kid half under the van, then keeps going and runs the back wheels over too! A few minutes later a second van just drives over the kid like there is some trash on the road.

    It's a kid FFS - what bit of that does not compute for these A holes?

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    "Many people in China are hesitant to help people who appear to be in distress for fear that they will be blamed," Reuters' Martina wrote in his report. "High-profile law suits have ended with good Samaritans ordered to pay hefty fines to individuals they sought to help."
    Before the USA wrote 'Good Samaritan Law' protections, we were headed down the same path.

    Dam lawyers sueing people that saved their clients lives.
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    Scumbags, every single one of those ******s that walked past. Jeez, every time I hear a story like this I think of my own two kiddos and just want to hug 'em and keep 'em safe forever.

    Wow, CNN has a sanitized version of the video. I seriously want to run over those people with a van.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    No wonder that kind of ignorant behavior is seldom seen in Europe.

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    As a parent, I really don`t want to see the video.

    On some cycling blog(can`t remember which) I read, the writer thinks we should refer to cars as "kid crushers". I thought it was a bit extreme, but everytime I see or hear about stories of kids getting hit and killed by cars I start to think it might be a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by owenfinn View Post
    As a parent, I really don`t want to see the video.
    Do not. I had tears streaming down my face--I'm just tearing up thinking about it. The worst part is through all this sensationalism I'll never get the followup--I'll never know if the she made it OK. I can't even begin to imagine what the parents are going through right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    So much for, the Great Wall of China. Indifference attacks from within.

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    Jesus ****ing christ.

    Reports now say the girl has died from her injuries and the drivers have been detained... in China this could be seen as a capital offense.

    Worst thing is the people walking by as this child was screaming and suffering... and that they did nothing.

    Nothing.

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    Not to sound callous, but is this not the same country where couple are limited to having one child and parents being willing to kill a daughter so that they can have a son? A country that if I am not mistaken has gone so far as to try and force it's laws on the number of children that a couple can have to those who no longer live within it's borders. And some are shocked and saddened that people didn't do anything to help the girl?

    Let's also not forget that this is a country that already has a piss poor track record of human rights. A country where probably most people's daily wages is less then the hourly wages for most Americans, Britts, etc. If one doesn't have much to begin with why are they going risk it by helping out a stranger?

    It doesn't mean that it's right, it doesn't mean I have to agree with it, but I can understand it. Put yourselves in the shoes of those who "just walked" by and ask yourself if you were in their shoes would you be willing to stop and help someone?
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    I made the mistake of watching this video. It's horrible. Don't watch it, as it's not for even the highly insensitive!
    I can't imagine living in such a society. Shame on those drivers and those who walked by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glottis View Post
    I made the mistake of watching this video. It's horrible. Don't watch it, as it's not for even the highly insensitive!
    I can't imagine living in such a society. Shame on those drivers and those who walked by.
    absolutely horrific. the worst in human behavior on full display for the world to see.

    but, your comment on living in such a society ? bad news, but we're not alot better here - take a look around us in the USA. we murder our own people at a clip exceeded only by south american and latin american countries. we hear about child kidnappings/murders all the time (caley anthony ???). it's so common it seems we have become desensitized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
    It doesn't mean that it's right, it doesn't mean I have to agree with it, but I can understand it. Put yourselves in the shoes of those who "just walked" by and ask yourself if you were in their shoes would you be willing to stop and help someone?
    Maybe it's my cognitive bias since I'm the father of two wonderful toddlers myself, but Jesus man, there are just some universal constants regardless of social mores. An adult, OK, I can be a bit more understanding. But that child? No way--there is no excuse for those scumbags, both drivers and those that gawked as they were walking by. I've put myself in harm's way helping people before, and I'd do it again.

    I hope they put that driver in a general population prison and show the other inmates that video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adablduya View Post
    but, your comment on living in such a society ? bad news, but we're not alot better here - take a look around us in the USA. we murder our own people at a clip exceeded only by south american and latin american countries. we hear about child kidnappings/murders all the time (caley anthony ???). it's so common it seems we have become desensitized.
    I can't take a look around in the USA, as it's pretty far away from where I live.
    I saw some videos of hit-and-runs in China before, and noticed that nobody runs to help the victims. But a toddler?! That's sick... Anyway, I still can't believe that this happened to the poor little girl. I hope she was in shock and didn't feel the pain, and that this accident will serve as a wake up call for the Chinese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adablduya View Post
    absolutely horrific. the worst in human behavior on full display for the world to see.

    but, your comment on living in such a society ? bad news, but we're not alot better here - take a look around us in the USA. we murder our own people at a clip exceeded only by south american and latin american countries. we hear about child kidnappings/murders all the time (caley anthony ???). it's so common it seems we have become desensitized.
    Drifting OT, but coincidentally, BBC has just published a report on death from child abuse in the US. Pretty harrowing stuff. Not only are rates of death from child abuse disturbingly high in the US, the accompanying "experts view" column points out that about 70% of the children killed by child abuse are younger than 4, nearly half younger than 1. Shocking.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15193530

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    http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/17/fo...ll_under_i.php

    Earlier media reports that Yueyue, the toddler who was knocked down by two vehicles outside a market in Foshan, has passed away have turned out to be false.
    Yueyue's mother has appeared on Sina Weibo herself to clarify the situation. She said that while Yueyue was still unable to breathe on her own, her situation has stabilised, and she has regained some sensation in her limbs. Doctors say that her chances of recovery are now better than earlier estimated.
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    Thread has what to do with cycling advocacy or cycling safety issues...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
    Not to sound callous, but is this not the same country where couple are limited to having one child and parents being willing to kill a daughter so that they can have a son? A country that if I am not mistaken has gone so far as to try and force it's laws on the number of children that a couple can have to those who no longer live within it's borders. And some are shocked and saddened that people didn't do anything to help the girl?

    Let's also not forget that this is a country that already has a piss poor track record of human rights. A country where probably most people's daily wages is less then the hourly wages for most Americans, Britts, etc. If one doesn't have much to begin with why are they going risk it by helping out a stranger?

    It doesn't mean that it's right, it doesn't mean I have to agree with it, but I can understand it. Put yourselves in the shoes of those who "just walked" by and ask yourself if you were in their shoes would you be willing to stop and help someone?
    wtf?!?!?! This post has some pretty massive generalizations.

    - Certainly some Chinese parents have killed a daughter to have a son, but this happens at such an extremely small rate (likely <0.0001%) that it's really irrelevant.
    - I've never heard of this happening, and I know plenty of Chinese people living outside the country with more than one child.
    - A government's human rights record really has nothing to do with how humane a country's citizens are. I'd say the USA has a pretty good track record (albeit with a few exceptions), yet stuff like this still happens here.
    - How does helping a stranger put one's daily wage at risk?
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    This was covered at ChinaSmack. You can read translated comments by Chinese netizens there. The girl is apparently in the hospital in critical condition.

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    According to reports of interview with the first driver (who turned himself in) by the police, he was looking around for an address when he hit the girl. I repeat: he was looking around, left ,right,... for a street address he's supposed to go, while driving. Don't many drivers do the same thing? It is very dangerous. You think as long as you are not very fast, anyone walking around could see you; but what about the possibility that a little child, like a 2 year old in this case, or a blind person, etc., is there, who has no idea what's going to happen? The driver said it's raining so he did not hear the child's cry. He felt the front right wheel bumped over something, so he looked in the mirror, but didn't see anything, so he continued, then felt the rear right wheel bumped, too. He thought it was just an "object", not a person, so he continued on. After seeing the news, he realized the first driver that hit the girl was probably himself. This driver himself has a 9 month old daughter. As for the poor little girl run over, her back skull was removed, and the doctors said the most optimistic prospect, if surviving, is that she'll become a vegetable.

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    I believe the court decision they are referring to is the Nanjing Judgement. A man helped a woman, and was charged with the crime himself. The judge opined that only the person hitting someone would take them to a hospital. How did this child get out into the street alone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
    How did this child get out into the street alone?
    The father was working on something, the mother was hanging laundry, and didn't pay attention when the girl walked away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
    I believe the court decision they are referring to is the Nanjing Judgement. A man helped a woman, and was charged with the crime himself. The judge opined that only the person hitting someone would take them to a hospital. How did this child get out into the street alone?
    The explanation is given right there in the ChinaSmack post:

    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaSmack
    [Note: "Nanjing judge" refers to the infamous 2006 case of a man named Peng Yu who helped a woman to the hospital after she had fallen only to have the old woman accuse him of knocking her down. The Nanjing judge in that case ultimately ruled that common sense dictated that only the person who hit her would take her to the hospital, setting a precedent that continues only further discourages and reinforces many Chinese people's wariness to help others in similar situations.]

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    Ugh, that is super sick and really plays on the emotions. However, it is easy to say "how could they not stop?" from our perspective. Emotion aside, one must experience and know mainland Chinese "reality" to understand the lack of action. Combine a healthy dose of ignorance (most of the populace in that situation are not likely to have much education at all) with a very real understanding of the risks of involvement at all and you get exactly those dismissive reactions. It is well understood that "keeping your head down" and not associating with any situation calling for authority involvement is a generally safer bet. It is far too easy to get rolled up on the wrong side of "official" actions and investigations. Sad but accurate.

    For those who intend to emotionally lash back a response let me be clear I DO NOT think this is "right," "just" or anything else "OK." It is just a very real calculation done by non-involved Chinese who feel they have too much personal risk and not enough capable impact to become involved. This in part is what is causing such debate in China. The disparity of those who are educated, powerful, and wealthy who largely feel as we do and those who have very little but an acute sense (built on decades of experience) that involvement is a luxury they often cannot afford.

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    Add to the fact that the legal system there is far from adequate (that's not to say it is adequate in the U.S., LOL, but at least one can choose lawyers more easily), and death penalty is no big deal there.

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