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Old 12-02-04, 09:54 PM   #1
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Only in New York...

So far I've come to the conclusion that I find myself disagreeing with most people from around the country, yet agreeing with Coney, Laika, Konakazi, NYCM'er, and Yoshi with regards to Critical Mass, the city, interaction with the government here, and so on.

Is it really that different in the rest of the country compared to here? And New Yorkers, do you feel like sometimes you're talking to people who just do not get what goes on here?

I'm really asking here because I'm kinda tired of butting heads with people who don't live here while agreeing pretty much 100% with the people who do... It leads me to believe that unless you live here, you're not going to understand the situation at all...

Am I wrong?
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Probably not.
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I live here and commute here daily. And it doesn't help that you have this "love it or leave it, either you're with us or against us" attitude. Just because they don't live in NYC and just because they happen to a) disagree with your views or b) have an alternate view doesn't mean their opinions don't matter.
The cycling community's small enough as it is without its relatively few members trying to tear each other apart from the inside.
And I see this is the problem with NYC CM sometimes. You have the dedicated cyclists. Then you have the wanna be messengers who think they're fighting god's cycling crusade. Then you have the yuppies that only get out twice a month for the ride. Then you have the regular every day riders. Then you have the delivery guys. Then you have those morons who use CM to do political protests.
If everyone keeps going on like that, the city oughta just sit there and let everyone split up into small defenseless groups before going after them.
I agree with some of your views, and I don't agree with some of your views. We're both entitled to the same rights to express ourselves. It's a give and take kind of thing.
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Hey Vince,

Do you really even need to ask the question? I think aside from Randya and the afore mentioned people, there is very little understanding of our situation.

I'm not mad at them though. A single night at a CM ride here and they would have their heads turned aroudn completely.

Let's turn this thread in to this:

You, me, Laika, NYCM'er, and Yoshi and whoever else should plan some meetings. Just between us to start. And let's plan some events. Let's plan some rides that we can get behind that can be positive and supplement anything else that we already plan on doing.

Yeah?
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It could be that the people you are arguing with are not in favor of breaking laws. That seems to be the major difference of opinion on Critical Mass. The other side of the coin seems to be that you New York riders don't need to worry about the Patriot Act as much as the NYPD storm troopers keeping people from riding. From some people's description of what takes place, I believe a good video sent out to news stations might be appropriate, but the NYPD just might beat someone to death for showing up with one.
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I live here and commute here daily. And it doesn't help that you have this "love it or leave it, either you're with us or against us" attitude. Just because they don't live in NYC and just because they happen to a) disagree with your views or b) have an alternate view doesn't mean their opinions don't matter.
The cycling community's small enough as it is without its relatively few members trying to tear each other apart from the inside.
And I see this is the problem with NYC CM sometimes. You have the dedicated cyclists. Then you have the wanna be messengers who think they're fighting god's cycling crusade. Then you have the yuppies that only get out twice a month for the ride. Then you have the regular every day riders. Then you have the delivery guys. Then you have those morons who use CM to do political protests.
If everyone keeps going on like that, the city oughta just sit there and let everyone split up into small defenseless groups before going after them.
I agree with some of your views, and I don't agree with some of your views. We're both entitled to the same rights to express ourselves. It's a give and take kind of thing.
I agree with you more often than not, actually. I didn't mean it as an "us against them" thing, I just find myself disagreeing a hell of a lot more with people who aren't from the city. Heck, you and I agree on more than myself and some of the guys on here from around the country...

It isn't us vs. them... I don't think that at all... I'm just wondering if you really do have to be here to see the full picture. Honestly, some of the things I've read from other folks just appears, at least to me, to be almost clueless.

The saying "Walk a mile in my shoes" comes to mind...

Know what I mean?
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Uh, what the hell does the Patriot Act have to do with us riding bikes together?
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It could be that the people you are arguing with are not in favor of breaking laws. That seems to be the major difference of opinion on Critical Mass. The other side of the coin seems to be that you New York riders don't need to worry about the Patriot Act as much as the NYPD storm troopers keeping people from riding. From some people's description of what takes place, I believe a good video sent out to news stations might be appropriate, but the NYPD just might beat someone to death for showing up with one.
I'm not talking about breaking laws and critical mass. I'm talking about the bike registration bill. I'm talking about destriping bike lanes. I'm talking about messengers getting killed by a double parked truck who didn't even get a ticket.

It's the whole package...
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You, me, Laika, NYCM'er, and Yoshi and whoever else should plan some meetings. Just between us to start. And let's plan some events. Let's plan some rides that we can get behind that can be positive and supplement anything else that we already plan on doing.

Yeah?
Deal.

We should get together in the winter to plan it so we can start in the spring. I'm all for it.
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new yorkes tend to be less brain washed than other americans...sometimes...like salad...crminal mass..lol
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[ashcroft]Why do you hate America, traitor?[/ashcroft]
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Deal.

We should get together in the winter to plan it so we can start in the spring. I'm all for it.
No, we should ride now, when it's cold, to weed out the weak among us!
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Excuse me sir? I do believe you just offended my conservative sensibilities...
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You know what I wanted to organize was some night rides. The day is one thing but the city is a whole other world at night. Plus lots of empty streets. I always thought it'd be cool for a bunch of people to load up on HID and bright halogens and just roam the city at night from like midnight to sunrise or something.
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Let's meet up ASAP. I agree that we should meet soon, and not wait till Spring.

SLvoid, are you proposing to meet with the "martyrs"? Do you think you can handle it?!
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Not a bad idea.

Last Friday I rode from Union Square up to the 59th street bridge via 8th avenue, and passing the port authority, garden, times ssquare, etc., was all pretty neat at night...

Maybe we can do a landmark tour at night...

The Guggenheim, Museum of Natural History, Ground Zero, Farley Post Office, etc...

I do like that idea though... We could be the Night Riders... Just minus Hasselhoff's chest hair...
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No, we should ride now, when it's cold, to weed out the weak among us!
Heh you ride yesterday during that storm? I had pouring rain and a 40mph tailwind half way going to work and 50mph cross winds going over the pulaski bridge. 25 mph headwind gusting to 50 coming home and a steady 30mph cross wind from my right.
That's about as hardcore as I dare to be, first sign of black ice or snow, I'm wussing out.
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SLvoid, are you proposing to meet with the "martyrs"? Do you think you can handle it?!
Lol I dunno, a lot of you sound like bike advocates. If you can forgive my sidewalk riding and running every red light and stop sign I see, sure.
That's one of the guilty pleasures that I have is that while I advocate following the law, I honestly can't stand stopping on my bike so I just go.
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Ha yeah I rode yesterday too. It actually got pretty sunny and nice around 1PM when I rode up from Times Square to the UWS to drop off some paperwork with my girlfriend. Good thing I brought some shorts to change in to!

Anyway let's meet up for a ride up the greenway for starters and then maybe have some beers and talk shop. Yeah?
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You and me both.
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Heh you ride yesterday during that storm? I had pouring rain and a 40mph tailwind half way going to work and 50mph cross winds going over the pulaski bridge. 25 mph headwind gusting to 50 coming home and a steady 30mph cross wind from my right.
That's about as hardcore as I dare to be, first sign of black ice or snow, I'm wussing out.
heh. I don't ride if it's wet in the morning. (Unless, of course, I can get cuffed at CM.)

That tailwind must have been OK. I swear, I ride into the wind both ways on my commute.
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Laika: Was it uphill both ways?
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Anyone have MSN messenger or AOL so we can chat about this simultaneously rather than on a forum?
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In the snow! How'd ya guess?
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I gotta warn you, I'm not much of a talker, I don't drink, and I happen to enjoy how david hasselhoff's chest hair made Knight Rider a lot creepier.
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