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Old 10-25-11, 10:34 PM   #1
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CBC advises cyclists to stop texting

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...ty-issues.html

Way to fan the flames.
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They should be telling that to motorists, not cyclists.
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Right. "Wear a helmet and pay attention to what you're doing." Those nihilist bastards.

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Yes, the irony is jaw dropping. What is it about cyclists who txt that is so dangerous? What are the numbers?

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Right. "Wear a helmet and pay attention to what you're doing." Those nihilist bastards.

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Haha, that is good advice but not the point of the article tried to inflate... that cyclists are the cause of their own accidents. (of course i realize this is A&S where over 50% of people think that way)
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Yes, the irony is jaw dropping. What is it about cyclists who txt that is so dangerous? What are the numbers?



Haha, that is good advice but not the point of the article tried to inflate... that cyclists are the cause of their own accidents. (of course i realize this is A&S where over 50% of people think that way)
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Paying attention to riding and avoiding distractions from cellphones and music players ranks second on the Canada Safety Council's top tips for improving cycling safety — behind wearing a helmet.
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I've seen cyclists on the phone talking, but I can't recall ever seeing one texting. If they are, how is this "secondary to wearing a helmet"? Is it really more important to wear a helmet than it is to stop texting while riding (if anyone is actually doing this)? Really?

Seriously, though, don't use the phone for anything while riding or driving. It's a shame this even needs to be stated, but there you go...
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Thanks KES, who knows what your point was.
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I've seen cyclists on the phone talking, but I can't recall ever seeing one texting. If they are, how is this "secondary to wearing a helmet"? Is it really more important to wear a helmet than it is to stop texting while riding (if anyone is actually doing this)? Really?

Seriously, though, don't use the phone for anything while riding or driving. It's a shame this even needs to be stated, but there you go...
I've seen plenty of cyclists down here in St. Pete who ride and either talk or text. One of the last ones I saw ran off the road a few times and into at least one yard. Imagine if he'd been driving a car instead of riding a bicycle.
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They should be telling that to motorists, not cyclists.
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I'll tell you one thing, if I see someone in a trackstand, holding a cellphone and being able to either dial, or text, I'd take my hat off to them.
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I'll tell you one thing, if I see someone in a trackstand, holding a cellphone and being able to either dial, or text, I'd take my hat off to them.
While working as a messenger saw one of my mates splitting the lane during rush hour, texting on his Blackberry, and eating a sub with his other hand.
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...how is this "secondary to wearing a helmet"? Is it really more important to wear a helmet than it is to stop texting while riding (if anyone is actually doing this)? Really?...
of course it is! <sarcasm>

Nothing is more important than wearing a helmet <sarcasm> (particularly when the coroner is preparing a study to support a new proposal for a MHL)<no sarcasm>
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While working as a messenger saw one of my mates splitting the lane during rush hour, texting on his Blackberry, and eating a sub with his other hand.
In Japan it was (haven't been back in a few years) common to see people, usually young women, texting while riding their bikes. The more impressive ones were the ones who also managed it while holding an umbrella over themselves and pedaling in high heels! It didn't seem particularly dangerous most places there; certainly not as bad as a texting motorist.
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Basically, texting while MOVING is a bad idea, unless you're a passenger and don't need to watch your own progress. The brain just doesn't work that way, and too many people mistakenly believe it does, just because the consequences haven't bitten them in the ass yet.

Uh, OP . . . fanning what flames? Helmet use? Meh. Texting cyclists being a major problem? Hell, scofflaw cyclists are 50x the problem, and multiple articles have been written about them, all to no avail.
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Quote for the story: "There are also certainly a number of cyclists who have the behaviour of texting and talking. We've also seen it with pedestrians."

WHAT!? There are people who walk and talk at the same time? Those Canadians are quite the risk-takers, aren't they?
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Uh, OP . . . fanning what flames?
The inflamatory title of the piece, obviously intended to cause a reaction of outrage. The title doesn't even seem to fit the content of the story, making it not only sensational but misleading. They might as well have said cyclists should not read newspapers, do crossword puzzles and juggle cats.
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.. Uh, OP . . . fanning what flames? Helmet use? Meh...
quite apart from the helmet issue, the Safety Council of Canada is saying being aware is priority #2!

(I say that priority sequence is a stinky pile of number 2!)
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I've seen a cyclist holding a pizza box with one hand and eating a slice with the other in heavy traffic.
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Basically, texting while MOVING is a bad idea, unless you're a passenger and don't need to watch your own progress. The brain just doesn't work that way, and too many people mistakenly believe it does, just because the consequences haven't bitten them in the ass yet.

Uh, OP . . . fanning what flames? Helmet use? Meh. Texting cyclists being a major problem? Hell, scofflaw cyclists are 50x the problem, and multiple articles have been written about them, all to no avail.
Agreed, or the good ole double standard of "I can do it safely, but anyone else who does it is a bloody fool." Or the "my actions don't impact anyone but me." Or the ever popular "rules/ethics are 'situational.'"

I've had a few close calls at stop signs and red lights where afterwards the motorist told me that they didn't expect me to stop. Given that, I'd like to know how those who think that their actions don't affect anyone but them can still justify that thought process.
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...I don't even know how texting and cycling is even possible.
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I've seen cyclists on the phone talking, but I can't recall ever seeing one texting.
Sadly, I have. Quite often, in fact. It's never a roadie or a dedicated work commuter, though. It's almost always kids (college age and below) in my experience. In fact it might always be kids that I've seen, but I haven't really been keeping dedicated stats.
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...I don't even know how texting and cycling is even possible.
The laughable point is that it's now a very noteworthy point for cyclist safety in Canada. Hard to tell if it's a joke or they just ran out of reasons to blame cyclists for getting runover. Listening to music is also killer... earbuds and cellphones are killing cyclists. Just last month i saw a cyclist using Bluetooth earbud and a cellphone at the same time! He is dead for sure now.

I mean, COME ON.

Frankly if you dig a little more you'll notice that things aren't so simple. The coroner's office in Ontario is conducting a review of all cycling deaths. This piece is put out by the Canadian Saftey council(not peer reviewed afaik). Which corporations fund their studies? It is better that public opinion swings back against cyclists, so the council pulls this out of their hat.

Motorists were looking pretty bad this week due to the record level of cyclists they've killed, like getting that visa bill at the end of the month. Now we know it's not driver negligence as the studies show, but those cyclists at it again - probably on a cellphone txting at the time. Even if they were wearing a helmet - that cyclist had earbuds and flip-flops on at the time they were right hooked so... it's must have been the earbuds. ****.
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Some very nice stuff in that piece; I like this section.

Benefits outweigh risks
The benefits of cycling from a health, environmental and cost point of view far outweigh the safety risks, studies find.

"Bicycling has the potential to improve fitness, diminish obesity, and reduce noise, air pollution, and greenhouse gases associated with motor vehicle travel," according to a 2009 study by the UBC Centre for Health and Environment Research in Vancouver.

"However, bicyclists have a greater risk of crashes and injuries requiring hospitalization than do motor vehicle occupants."

The study concluded that bicycle infrastructure is related to the risk of injury and the risk of crashing.

It found:

Purpose-built bicycle-only facilities like bicycle lanes and paths have the lowest risk of crashes and injuries.
Minor roads have lower injury risks than major roads.
Sidewalks and unpaved off-road trails have the highest risks.
At intersections, multi-lane roundabouts are more hazardous to cyclists than other types of intersections, unless separated cycle tracks are provided.
Street lighting, paved surfaces, and low-sloped grades are additional factors that seem to improve cyclist safety.
"Considering that safety is a critical factor when people decide whether to cycle, creating safe facilities for cycling and the communication of safety improvements to the public should encourage more people to ride," the study concludes.
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I've seen a cyclist holding a pizza box with one hand and eating a slice with the other in heavy traffic.
I see peds walking and texting all the time.



Time mag ran a story on it

Texting and Walking: Dangerous Mix




Pedestrians walk past padded lampposts in Brick Lane in London.



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Some very nice stuff in that piece; I like this section.

Benefits outweigh risks
The benefits of cycling from a health, environmental and cost point of view far outweigh the safety risks, studies find.

"Bicycling has the potential to improve fitness, diminish obesity, and reduce noise, air pollution, and greenhouse gases associated with motor vehicle travel," according to a 2009 study by the UBC Centre for Health and Environment Research in Vancouver.

"However, bicyclists have a greater risk of crashes and injuries requiring hospitalization than do motor vehicle occupants."

The study concluded that bicycle infrastructure is related to the risk of injury and the risk of crashing.

It found:

Purpose-built bicycle-only facilities like bicycle lanes and paths have the lowest risk of crashes and injuries.
Minor roads have lower injury risks than major roads.
Sidewalks and unpaved off-road trails have the highest risks.
At intersections, multi-lane roundabouts are more hazardous to cyclists than other types of intersections, unless separated cycle tracks are provided.
Street lighting, paved surfaces, and low-sloped grades are additional factors that seem to improve cyclist safety.
"Considering that safety is a critical factor when people decide whether to cycle, creating safe facilities for cycling and the communication of safety improvements to the public should encourage more people to ride," the study concludes.
Unfortunately it's all at the bottom, the tone of the article is set by the title. which is...

"Cyclists urged to cut unsafe habits like texting
Reducing dangers a shared responsibility, experts say after Ontario probe announced"

It's a pretty unbalanced "shared" responsibility out there.
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Pedestrians walk past padded lampposts in Brick Lane in London.


Maybe they're sexting? That would explain the lure.

I can see it now: compulsory sexting helmets.
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