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    Potential 8 mph speed limit

    http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/11/1...ding-cyclists/


    Bicycle “friendly” Boulder CO will consider an 8 mph speed limit for cyclist in crosswalks.

    I suppose that would include cyclist on bike paths anytime they cross a road.

    And on sidewalks or MUPs, I would be able to outrun and pass the cyclist in a crossing.
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    They are just trying to protect vulnerable users...

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    While there may be negative legal ramifications of the law (as noted in the article), it's generally a good idea to slow down when riding in crosswalks. If there's traffic coming that will cross the crosswalk, I'll slow to walking speed (or below).

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    Seems like the law is designed for urban areas where some people ride bikes on sidewalks and crosswalks and thus have to interact with slow moving pedestrians. If so, then just ride on the roads if you want to ride faster.

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    Seems fair to me. If you're riding in the crosswalk, you should probably slow down anyways.
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    I doubt that they will differentiate between bikepath crossings and sidewalk crossings.

    How about a law requiring a motorist come to a complete stop at a red light or stop sign, carefully look and yield to pedestrians and cross traffic, then safely proceed with their right turn when clear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeybikes View Post
    Seems fair to me. If you're riding in the crosswalk, you should probably slow down anyways.
    Seems 3 mph would be better then.
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    It's funny to watch "vehicular cyclists" whine about speed limits. But it's true that entirely different laws should apply to bikes vs cars.
    Don't believe everything you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    How about a law requiring a motorist come to a complete stop at a red light or stop sign, carefully look and yield to pedestrians and cross traffic, then safely proceed with their right turn when clear?
    I believe that law already exists for both stop lights and stop signs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Seems 3 mph would be better then.
    Sure, why not?

    Denver has a 6 mph limit on sidewalk riding. Is that too low for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    I doubt that they will differentiate between bikepath crossings and sidewalk crossings.

    How about a law requiring a motorist come to a complete stop at a red light or stop sign, carefully look and yield to pedestrians and cross traffic, then safely proceed with their right turn when clear?
    Oh wow, what a concept... what the heck, next you"re going to suggest that motorists drive only 25 MPH in residential areas... even though they too want to go much faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeybikes View Post
    Sure, why not?

    Denver has a 6 mph limit on sidewalk riding. Is that too low for you?
    YES, I really hate getting slowed down by cyclist when I go for a run!
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    Quote Originally Posted by myrridin View Post
    I believe that law already exists for both stop lights and stop signs...
    I don't believe you, based on my experience as a pedestrian. Maybe they should consider a 1 mph pedestrian speed limit when in a crosswalk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    I don't believe you, based on my experience as a pedestrian. Maybe they should consider a 1 mph pedestrian speed limit when in a crosswalk.
    You can believe what you like, but the law already does require what you suggested. Now, that isn't to say that motorists obey those laws than cyclists or pedestrians...

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    Quote Originally Posted by myrridin View Post
    They are just trying to protect vulnerable users...
    Excuse me? When did cyclists' no longer get defined as a 'vulnerable user?

    Yes, Pedestrians and those with physical mobility problems fit the term. But when did cyclists' as a whole, no longer fit the term?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Excuse me? When did cyclists' no longer get defined as a 'vulnerable user?

    Yes, Pedestrians and those with physical mobility problems fit the term. But when did cyclists' as a whole, no longer fit the term?
    Where'd you get the idea that he wasn't referring to cyclists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    YES, I really hate getting slowed down by cyclist when I go for a run!
    Isn't that what they make jogging paths for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeybikes View Post
    Sure, why not?

    Denver has a 6 mph limit on sidewalk riding. Is that too low for you?
    You can ride on the sidewalk in Denver? Neat but sounds dicey to me..

    Ummm am I misunderstanding this, but if I were to go road riding which I do I would have to slow to 8 or under at interesections with crosswalks etc.. and the cars don't have to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    You can ride on the sidewalk in Denver? Neat but sounds dicey to me..
    The law is actually quite specific. Something like you can ride on the sidewalk at a rate of 6mph or less as long as you don't cross any driveways or intersections.

    The purpose of the law is supposed to allow you to ride far enough to stop at a bicycle rack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeybikes View Post
    The law is actually quite specific. Something like you can ride on the sidewalk at a rate of 6mph or less as long as you don't cross any driveways or intersections.

    The purpose of the law is supposed to allow you to ride far enough to stop at a bicycle rack.
    Very cool, it's acceptable here but not legal or exactly safe for the most part. Edit I am a big dummy head and can not read so gud, and now have a new question... if this only applies to sidewalk riders, where the hell is the big deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    I doubt that they will differentiate between bikepath crossings and sidewalk crossings.

    How about a law requiring a motorist come to a complete stop at a red light or stop sign, carefully look and yield to pedestrians and cross traffic, then safely proceed with their right turn when clear?
    They do have that law, and I hope the cops are not anal retentive about it, or the new one.
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    I think it's a good thing, but since bicycles don't have speedometers it's really anyone's guess exactly how fast anyone rides. Just me, but I'm on record as that it depends upon the traffic involved. If there are pedestrians in that crosswalk, they get first priority for safety, a cyclist comes second and motorists should have to slow & yield to everyone that is going the same direction. If another is crossing against the light, the rules change, because then the pedestrian or cyclist is now a jay walker crossing against the light for a car if that is the way the light is and then common sense comes into play. Only an idiot would step off or pedal in front of a moving car and in that case whatever happens the pedestrian or cyclist would almost deserve. I don't care if you're the bmx punk that like to jump/hop the bike onto curbs, walls or whatever or the cyclist that's training for a triathlon or road race. The most vulnerable should get priority and be protected from injury barring their own stupidity.

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    Cross walks and sidewalks are for pedestrians and bicylists going a pedestrian speeds.

    I almost hit a kid today in a crosswalk. Both of us were contributors....I was making a right following behind a big rig and putting more attenting on what the heck lane the big rig was going to end up in than the crosswalk. Kid was barrelling across at 15 to 20 mph....and I didn't see him unitl my son yelled look out.

    Part of the danger of cycing in cross walks is that drivers are simplely not attuned to looking for something moving and speeds above that of a pedestrian..........and the mind plays tricks on you.

    so speed limit of cross walks is good.
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    I see this as a harbinger of what will happen after boatloads of those infernal parking-protected "cycletracks" are put in. Anyone riding at a speed faster than a pedestrian will be considered the cause of the intersection mayhem these things may well create and intersection speed limits for cyclists will be set. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myrridin View Post
    You can believe what you like, but the law already does require what you suggested. Now, that isn't to say that motorists obey those laws than cyclists or pedestrians...
    ZZZing----- obvious satire.









    But I guess not so obvious for some. Must be the PE types.
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